PA Blackjack Update

Ferretnparrot

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#3
I didnt actually read this article, so maybve im stating the obvious, but I was in PA all this week for the Carlisle spring car show selling my HID kits like I will be doing all summer, and naturally I inquired about it to every person I talked to.

The general consensus is that they are currently training workers to run the table games, This was told to me by several people, and it is a word of mouth status only. But it suggests it is very close to coming into reality.
 

FLASH1296

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#4
Only slightly off topic is my question …
Why are we all ignoring the situation
in Delaware ? Their BJ tables are
scheduled to be opened in MAY.
 

aslan

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#5
FLASH1296 said:
Only slightly off topic is my question …
Why are we all ignoring the situation
in Delaware ? Their BJ tables are
scheduled to be opened in MAY.
And Charlestown, WVa in July.
 

aslan

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#7
cc218 said:
there was an update to this story here... http://www.post-gazette.com/busines...to-swap-slots-for-tables/stories/201004260219 ... i found this interesting as most places seem to want to have slots in place of tables
If they would put in good slots (like 9/6 JoB) they might be able to make good money on the slots as well, since it would attract a lot more play. If the current slots are anything like Delaware or WVa, it's no wonder they're not getting much play. If space is the issue, they should consider constructing additional play area. Just like BJ, the word gets out that the machines are good or bad and attracts players who have no idea on earth how to take advantage of good machines (or table games). Conversely, when the word gets out that the slots or table games are poor, even those who don't have a clue will avoid them.
 

21forme

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#8
aslan said:
If they would put in good slots (like 9/6 JoB) they might be able to make good money on the slots as well, since it would attract a lot more play.
Machine players are more clueless than BJ ploppies.

I've seen plenty of people playing a 7/5 or 8/5 JoB machine when they are sitting right next to an empty 9/6 machine. I've been tempted to say something, but hold my tongue every time.
 

aslan

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#9
21forme said:
Machine players are more clueless than BJ ploppies.

I've seen plenty of people playing a 7/5 or 8/5 JoB machine when they are sitting right next to an empty 9/6 machine. I've been tempted to say something, but hold my tongue every time.
They are clueless, but they do hear the scuttlebutt coming from the smart players that this casino or that has good machines. That's about as far as it goes. They then go there and play 7/5 machines or worse! "Might as well try Wheel of Fortune or Star Wars while I'm here, cuz I get tired of playing J or B all the time and never hit a RSF in over an hour!" lol They pay a big price for entertainment. The same guy will complain bitterly about $10 or $12 for a movie where they actually may be entertained. :laugh:
 

aslan

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#10
21forme said:
Machine players are more clueless than BJ ploppies.

I've seen plenty of people playing a 7/5 or 8/5 JoB machine when they are sitting right next to an empty 9/6 machine. I've been tempted to say something, but hold my tongue every time.
I have a ton of friends who gamble and not one of them have ever asked me to teach them how to count. I ask a couple of them if they were interested and they said they do all right without it. Some have told me they could never memorize so many cards!
 

21forme

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#11
aslan said:
I have a ton of friends who gamble and not one of them have ever asked me to teach them how to count. I ask a couple of them if they were interested and they said they do all right without it. Some have told me they could never memorize so many cards!
I know what you mean. My brother is a CPA and has no interest in it. I think he may have tried it once. He says having to concentrate on counting takes the fun out of playing.
 

aslan

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#12
21forme said:
I know what you mean. My brother is a CPA and has no interest in it. I think he may have tried it once. He says having to concentrate on counting takes the fun out of playing.
Hahaha It sure does...all the way to the bank! BTW, I'm a CPA. Ask him if he gets more entertainment from a $20 movie with his wife, or losing $300 at a casino. Most ploppies say, "I am only going to lose $300 [or other amount] and no more." As a CPA, how can visiting a casino to lose his money make any sense? I give up!
 

21forme

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#13
aslan said:
BTW, I'm a CPA.
I knew that from one of our telephone conversations when we kept missing each other at the Borg.

aslan said:
Ask him if he gets more entertainment from a $20 movie with his wife, or losing $300 at a casino. Most ploppies say, "I am only going to lose $300 [or other amount] and no more." As a CPA, how can visiting a casino to lose his money make any sense? I give up!
He looks at it as entertainment. He doesn't go to a movie or Broadway show and expect to make money on it.
 

aslan

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#14
21forme said:
I knew that from one of our telephone conversations when we kept missing each other at the Borg.


He looks at it as entertainment. He doesn't go to a movie or Broadway show and expect to make money on it.
Hahaha I guess it would be impossible to convince him that he should not expect to make money.

My ploppy friends all have systems for winning more than they lose. They must then support their fantasies by only relating their wins and a few of their losses thrown in for realism. I know when I was a ploppy I did not enjoy it because I lost 9 out of 10 times, but most the people I talked with said they just about always won. There can't be that many APs in the entire world!
 

ChefJJ

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#15
aslan said:
My ploppy friends all have systems for winning more than they lose. They must then support their fantasies by only relating their wins and a few of their losses thrown in for realism. I know when I was a ploppy I did not enjoy it because I lost 9 out of 10 times, but most the people I talked with said they just about always won. There can't be that many APs in the entire world!
It's really not much different than folks who do a lot of weekend golfing or even fishing. Pretty easy to remember and talk about the good shots or big fish that got away, and not all the "down" times.

We all know that counting requires either a) playing only a couple hands per table (wonging) to catch good counts or b) having a large enough bankroll to correctly bet to the count. Does an average recreational player who uses BS have to count in order to not be a sucker? I guess there's a fine line between degenerate and gambling enthusiast, but I have plenty of friends that just enjoy heading to the casino or Vegas 2-3 times a year just to enjoy themselves. No mortgage money being thrown down there.

good luck
 

aslan

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#16
ChefJJ said:
It's really not much different than folks who do a lot of weekend golfing or even fishing. Pretty easy to remember and talk about the good shots or big fish that got away, and not all the "down" times.

We all know that counting requires either a) playing only a couple hands per table (wonging) to catch good counts or b) having a large enough bankroll to correctly bet to the count. Does an average recreational player who uses BS have to count in order to not be a sucker? I guess there's a fine line between degenerate and gambling enthusiast, but I have plenty of friends that just enjoy heading to the casino or Vegas 2-3 times a year just to enjoy themselves. No mortgage money being thrown down there.

good luck
A case could be made for perfect basic strategy players. Someone has to pay for the casino staff, the building, the utilities. But I still think the fun is mostly a facade. Alone in their room after they've dropped a bundle "within their means," I don't think they're smiling. But I could be wrong.
 

FLASH1296

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#17
The degree to which an individual is motivated by the profit opportunities in BJ ranges from "not-at-all" to "that-is-what-I-live for."

Nearly all casino patrons are there for the "entertainment value" vis a vis risking their money
via "gambling"; and accept, as an imutable fact, that they will be long-term losers.

Without the "lumpen proletariat" we would have NO game to play.
 
#18
FLASH1296 said:
The degree to which an individual is motivated by the profit opportunities in BJ ranges from "not-at-all" to "that-is-what-I-live for."

Nearly all casino patrons are there for the "entertainment value" vis a vis risking their money
via "gambling"; and accept, as an imutable fact, that they will be long-term losers.

Without the "lumpen proletariat" we would have NO game to play.
I don't agree. I think a lot of them are there to win money rather than make money. They desire to win, but refuse to accept that the basis for winning is mathematics applied with skill, not luck, fate, righteousness, etc.

Look at the abuse they heap on skilled players. They believe winning is their right, and they are being denied it by the actions of others. It is a paradigm of their lot in life. Just like all the people out there who believe they are poor only because others are rich.
 

Blue Efficacy

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#19
Automatic Monkey said:
I don't agree. I think a lot of them are there to win money rather than make money. They desire to win, but refuse to accept that the basis for winning is mathematics applied with skill, not luck, fate, righteousness, etc.

Look at the abuse they heap on skilled players. They believe winning is their right, and they are being denied it by the actions of others. It is a paradigm of their lot in life. Just like all the people out there who believe they are poor only because others are rich.
Not to get off topic, but people really ARE poor because others are rich.

See: Scarcity.
 

johndoe

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#20
Blue Efficacy said:
Not to get off topic, but people really ARE poor because others are rich.

See: Scarcity.
Off topic: That the world, or economy, is anything resembling a zero-sum game, has been thoroughly debunked long ago. Quite the opposite is true.
 
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