ohbehave said:
Mr. M... there have been discussions on this board concerning the practice of ratholing of chips. It is of my opinion that ratholing is essential for the card counter to show a lifetime loss. This is a top concern as far as table play goes, would you agree, to make sure that regular players are not lifetime winners?
My question is if there are any measures in place to root out players who rathole black chips (or higher)? If say a player can rathole without being observed in the action of doing so can the pit pin ratholing of black chips to a player just by tracking their action?
It makes it hard to spot on a review. But if you are tagged by the pit as rat holing then they advise surveillance and they will watch closely. It's one of those things if you can get away with it they won't know, but once they smell something fishy they pounce like a shark smelling blood. Again I emphasize time spent in the casino, it has to be short. Even if if you don't win, I know this is hard for people who don't have casinos all around them. But in the ideal situation , in and out in under 20 min.
They might not notice till they suspect you're doing something, then if they call surveillance doesn't usually check DOB unless they know something is going on. Depends on the room, some just get the call and log it without looking at any history, some rooms are required to look up the name in the players card database. Were I was at they also had the drivers license picture pop up when you entered the name in the database, so I guess you could be in a real pickle then. I don't think they will do anything but question you, then you can make up a story that you accidentally had your friends card and give up your ID. They won't jump down your throat right away, but you have to play stupid and be polite. I wouldn't suggest counting at this point, they may watch you to make sure nothing funny is going on.
I have personally been playing DD and play no more than 2 shuffles, I can spread this out over 20 to 30 casinos and AM and PM play. I have only found as of yet Sam's Town not worth playing, they shuffles up when I increased 3 or 4 units. I might be in the same casino once in 2 weeks or a month on the same shift. They just won't have enough play to determine unless its obvious, but if the count is going up and I am winning it could be just a win pro, or I am losing and the count goes up near the end. I could be hunch betting or possibly negative progression. I have to add a unit or 2 for cover if the count is even. Without sufficient hands the house is stumped. Then the fact that the surveillance crew sees you only once a month makes it darn near impossible. Without a players card they are in a real dilemma.