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#2
Machine Gun?

You don't know if it was an automatic weapon (machine gun) unless it was fired or opened up and it's internal mechanism examined!

Fully automatic weapons - used by military, you pull the trigger and it fires until you realease the trigger. These cannot be purchased new by civilians. There are still some of these in civlian hands.

Semi automatic weapons - used by military and the only weapons legally purchased new and owned by civilians, you pull the trigger each time and the weapon fires one bullet at a time.

There are military (auto) and civilian (semi auto) versions of:

Ak's
M16's
M14's
m4's
etc.

The point is the appearance of a weapon has nothing to do with wether it is semi auto or full auto. It is a function of the internal parts.

Those bank robbers in LA with the body armor yrs ago. They took legal semi auto weapons and illegially changed the internal parts to make them full auto.:joker::whip: The outside appearance of the weapons did not change.
 
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blackjack avenger said:
You don't know if it was a machine gun unless it was fired!

Fully automatic weapons - used by military, you pull the trigger and it fires until you realease the trigger.

Semi automatic weapons - used by military and the only weapons legally owned by civilians, you pull the trigger each time and the weapon fires one bullet at a time.

There are military (auto) and civilian (semi auto) versions of:

Ak's
M16's
M14's
m4's
etc.

The point is the appearance of a weapon has nothing to do with wether it is semi auto or full auto. It is a function of the internal parts.

Those bank robbers in LA with the body armor yrs ago. They took legal semi auto weapons and illegially changed the internal parts to make them full auto.:joker::whip: The outside appearance of the weapons did not change.
An automatic rifle is also not necessarily a machine gun, which is a term I associate with 50-caliber weapons used by the military that we certainly hope criminals can't access.

When you're dealing with armed robbers with fully automatic weapons, you're usually talking about a MAC-10 or some kind of machine pistol. In this case it probably doesn't make any sense to bring a functioning full-auto weapon, because if things degrade to the point where he actually has to fire the weapon, he's in such deep trouble that he doesn't need the extra 10 years in the Federal pen for the full auto.
 

Zero

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#5
I know this is a blackjack forum, but as firearms are another of my many interests, I'd like to address some items which I feel should be categorized as misinformation
blackjack avenger said:
Semi automatic weapons - used by military and the only weapons legally owned by civilians, you pull the trigger each time and the weapon fires one bullet at a time.
This is incorrect. It is legal for civilians in the US to own full automatic weapons. There are date restrictions on the weapons and because of these restrictions the supply of these weapons is limited and therefore the prices of these weapons are artificially inflated. Example: you can purchase a full automatic Colt M16 for $12,000 to $16,000, while a new M16, which is only available to the military and law enforcement, is ~$1500. You are also required to pay a $200 tax on the transfer of a full automatic weapon. If you'd like to know more, familiarize yourself with the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968, and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. The wikipedia page for the NFA and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' website are good resources.

Automatic Monkey said:
An automatic rifle is also not necessarily a machine gun
What is a machine gun (or machinegun)?
Webster says:
Main Entry: machine gun
Function: noun
Date: 1867
: a gun for sustained rapid fire that uses bullets; broadly : an automatic weapon

And section 5845(b) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(b)) defines:
(b) Machinegun
The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

Disclaimer: IANAL (I am not a lawyer) and there may be local laws affecting you (such as if you live in California) which are much more restrictive than the federal laws I've referenced.

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aslan

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#6
Zero said:
I know this is a blackjack forum, but as firearms are another of my many interests, I'd like to address some items which I feel should be categorized as misinformation


This is incorrect. It is legal for civilians in the US to own full automatic weapons. There are date restrictions on the weapons and because of these restrictions the supply of these weapons is limited and therefore the prices of these weapons are artificially inflated. Example: you can purchase a full automatic Colt M16 for $12,000 to $16,000, while a new M16, which is only available to the military and law enforcement, is ~$1500. You are also required to pay a $200 tax on the transfer of a full automatic weapon. If you'd like to know more, familiarize yourself with the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968, and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. The wikipedia page for the NFA and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' website are good resources.


What is a machine gun (or machinegun)?
Webster says:
Main Entry: machine gun
Function: noun
Date: 1867
: a gun for sustained rapid fire that uses bullets; broadly : an automatic weapon

And section 5845(b) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(b)) defines:
(b) Machinegun
The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

Disclaimer: IANAL (I am not a lawyer) and there may be local laws affecting you (such as if you live in California) which are much more restrictive than the federal laws I've referenced.

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Very interesting. Can I legally buy a silencer for my handgun(s)?
 

Albee

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#8
Wow - I was in LV then

My wife and I were in LV then and driving to Gilley's when we saw all the cop cars surrounding the parking garage and other area's. Glad no one got hurt. Now I know why Gilley's only had 5 or so people in the place at 9pm.
 

Zero

Well-Known Member
#9
aslan said:
Very interesting. Can I legally buy a silencer for my handgun(s)?
Absolutely! Provided you legally own those handguns, you would meet all the legal requirements of owning a silencer as well.

Section 5845(b) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(b)) which I referenced in my previous post defines:
(a) Firearm
The term "firearm" means...(7) any silencer (as defined
in section 921 of title 18, United States Code);
So silencers are lumped in with the rest of all the things you can legally own but have to pay a $200 tax to transfer. But unlike fully automatic weapons, there have not been additional restrictions placed on silencers by more recent legislation. This means you can buy a brand new silencer for your handgun. A handgun silencer typically costs $500 - $600. Rifle silencers cost quite a bit more, north of $1000.

Again... IANAL. You could be subject to more restrictive local regulations than the federal laws I referenced.

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aslan

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#10
Zero said:
Absolutely! Provided you legally own those handguns, you would meet all the legal requirements of owning a silencer as well.

Section 5845(b) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(b)) which I referenced in my previous post defines:

So silencers are lumped in with the rest of all the things you can legally own but have to pay a $200 tax to transfer. But unlike fully automatic weapons, there have not been additional restrictions placed on silencers by more recent legislation. This means you can buy a brand new silencer for your handgun. A handgun silencer typically costs $500 - $600. Rifle silencers cost quite a bit more, north of $1000.

Again... IANAL. You could be subject to more restrictive local regulations than the federal laws I referenced.

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I live in a strange state. They won't let you carry a radar detector in your car, but they will let you carry a concealed handgun in a bar. Did you guess? Virginia.
 

Zero

Well-Known Member
#11
Blue Efficacy said:
A handheld automatic gun is typically referred to as a sub-machine gun. Machine gun typically applies to the 50 caliber guns AM referred to.
Actually, what determines if a machine gun is a submachine gun is the cartridge it fires. Submachine guns fire pistol cartridges (9mm like the Uzi or H&K MP5, .45ACP like the Thompson SMG aka "Tommy Gun", etc...) as opposed to rifle cartridges. I can't find something online that I'd consider definitive, but the wikipedia page for aubmachine gun (which references the Encyclopedia Britanica page for submachine gun) and thefreedictionary.com all mention the pistol cartridge requirement.
 

Zero

Well-Known Member
#12
aslan said:
I live in a strange state. They won't let you carry a radar detector in your car, but they will let you carry a concealed handgun in a bar. Did you guess? Virginia.
I don't have a list, but there are many states that allow carrying a concealed handgun in a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol. According to CBS News:
Virginia is far from alone in allowing concealed weapons in bars: A similar measure went into effect today in New Mexico, and more than 40 states now allow concealed weapons in at least some establishments serving alcohol.
In addition to NM and VA, I know TN and AZ are on the list, and I would bet NH is as well.

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aslan

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#13
Zero said:
I don't have a list, but there are many states that allow carrying a concealed handgun in a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol. According to CBS News:


In addition to NM and VA, I know TN and AZ are on the list, and I would bet NH is as well.

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Right, and how many states do you know of that won't allow you to have a radar detector in your car? That's right, only one--Virginia.
 
#14
I Agree

Zero said:
I know this is a blackjack forum, but as firearms are another of my many interests, I'd like to address some items which I feel should be categorized as misinformation


This is incorrect. It is legal for civilians in the US to own full automatic weapons. There are date restrictions on the weapons and because of these restrictions the supply of these weapons is limited and therefore the prices of these weapons are artificially inflated. Example: you can purchase a full automatic Colt M16 for $12,000 to $16,000, while a new M16, which is only available to the military and law enforcement, is ~$1500. You are also required to pay a $200 tax on the transfer of a full automatic weapon. If you'd like to know more, familiarize yourself with the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968, and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. The wikipedia page for the NFA and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' website are good resources.


What is a machine gun (or machinegun)?
Webster says:
Main Entry: machine gun
Function: noun
Date: 1867
: a gun for sustained rapid fire that uses bullets; broadly : an automatic weapon

And section 5845(b) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(b)) defines:
(b) Machinegun
The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

Disclaimer: IANAL (I am not a lawyer) and there may be local laws affecting you (such as if you live in California) which are much more restrictive than the federal laws I've referenced.

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I knew this, just forgot/wrote it wrong. I corrected my post.
 

21forme

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#15
aslan said:
I live in a strange state. They won't let you carry a radar detector in your car, but they will let you carry a concealed handgun in a bar. Did you guess? Virginia.
That's because the radar detector decreases their revenue from speeding tickets.

aslan said:
Right, and how many states do you know of that won't allow you to have a radar detector in your car? That's right, only one--Virginia.
Also DC. Used to be CT, too, but I believe they repealed the prohibition.
 

beating vegas

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#17
aslan said:
Very interesting. Can I legally buy a silencer for my handgun(s)?
it depends on what state you live in . however you need to get a tax stamp in addition to your permit the state i live in will not allow it how ever some do the reason is hearing damage
 
#18
21forme said:
That's because the radar detector decreases their revenue from speeding tickets.


Also DC. Used to be CT, too, but I believe they repealed the prohibition.
It was repealed years ago. And I got a reasonably good radar detector with my points at Trump.

Another weird thing happened in CT years back- they raised the speeding ticket fines so high that the police protested, saying it was unfair and they stopped writing tickets until they were reduced.
 

Tico

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#19
Automatic Monkey said:
It was repealed years ago. And I got a reasonably good radar detector with my points at Trump.

Another weird thing happened in CT years back- they raised the speeding ticket fines so high that the police protested, saying it was unfair and they stopped writing tickets until they were reduced.
In addition to the radar detector, Hey Monk, Trump should also comp you a "cake cover" for shielding all your piles of chips at tables :grin:.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#20
21forme said:
That's because the radar detector decreases their revenue from speeding tickets.


Also DC. Used to be CT, too, but I believe they repealed the prohibition.
CT was repealed, and last I checked, DC was not a state.:p VA remains the only state that prohibits radar detectors, and they reaffirmed it during a session of its legislature this year.
 
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