Hit and run with oscars grind

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This is my first post on this site. I've read many posts and replies the last couple months. I would like to share some of my experiences with the game of Black Jack.

I've been playing at the river boat casinos in Illinois. I play the 6 deck shoe game and the dealer hits on soft 17. It's the best game around my area.

I've tried card counting and didn't have very good success. So I started using oscars grind. My minimum bet is 25.00 and will use the grind but set a stop loss at 300 for the table. My goal is to win 3 betting units (75.00) and leave the table. The goal for the day is to win 500.00 and leave the casino. Sometimes I will have to play at 10 to 12 tables before hitting my goal but have won about 90 percent of my visits to the casino using this system. I found that winning 3 BU isn't that difficult. I also learned that getting off the table after winning the 3 betting units is KEY! It's rare for me to sit thru an entire shoe because of my maximum table goal limit is only 3 betting units.

If you guys are looking for a fun way to win at BJ just win 3 units at the table and get up. I know it pisses some players off when I win 3 hands at the start of a shoe and get up and leave but it's my money.

I do believe that certain betting systems like oscars grind can win without having to card count.
 
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I forgot to mention that my goal for this month is 10,000 profit which is 400 (25 dollar betting units). I will post updates on how this system works.
 
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Chitown...

Despite loads of empirical evidence to the contrary (in my case 20 years worth) you can not, absolutely, without question, under no circumstances, win at blackjack if you don't count cards.

Furthermore, even if you do count cards, you may still not win unless you can find a favorable game, with no heat, great rules, and deep penetration.

I learned all of the above from this forum.
 

johndoe

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Oh you can certainly win without counting cards - lots of people get lucky. And some people playing progressions get lucky, too. But many more get unlucky.

But you cannot ever expect to win unless you are playing at an advantage. And progression systems never give you an advantage. You're just gambling.
 

bjcount

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fredperson said:
For those not familiar, old quote:
The Fibonacci System

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I think one of the reasons there are so many objections to my posts is due to the fact that I have called it a progression system.
When people hear progression. they think of the Martingdale system, which of course is fatally flawed, and even when it works temporarily, produces only a minimal return.

The system I developed, and used sucessfully for many years at casinos in Atlantic City and Nevada was based on Fibonacci numbers, and was designed to maximize the return when a win streak of 5 or longer was encountered.
So from now on, we will refer to it as the "Fibonacci System", not a progression system.
end of old quote:


Chitown...

Despite loads of empirical evidence to the contrary (in my case 20 years worth) you can not, absolutely, without question, under no circumstances, win at blackjack if you don't count cards.

Furthermore, even if you do count cards, you may still not win unless you can find a favorable game, with no heat, great rules, and deep penetration.

I learned all of the above from this forum.
Are you mocking us Fred :whip:..... I can swear we haven't converted you.

Good cards to you which ever way works for you.

BJC
 

Sonny

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bjcount said:
Are you mocking us Fred :whip:
The sarcasm is just dripping off fred's post. It's just too bad that he doesn't pay attention to the dozens of other advantage methods we discuss here.

-Sonny-
 
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today was a good day playing blackjack.

Table #1: +3 Betting units (played the entire shoe)
Table #2: +5 BU (won the first 4 hands and left after winning a double down)
Table #3: +4 BU
Table #4: +4 1/2 BU
Table #5: +3 BU
Table #6: -12 BU (was up 2 BU then got crushed)
Table #7: -12 BU (lost 7 straight hands to start the shoe and couldn't win two hands in a row)
Table #8: +4 Bu (played the entire shoe)
Table #9: +3 BU
Table #10: +3 BU
Table #11: -4 BU (dealer was making a lot of hands so I got off the table, I was actually up 2 BU on this table before it went south)
Table #12: +3 BU
Table #13: +6 BU
Table #14: +3 1/2 BU
Table #15: +3 BU
Table #16: +3 BU
Table #17: +2 BU
Table #18: +1 (played the entire shoe)

+ 23 BU for a a profit of 575 minus 32 tipping the dealers.

I totally agree that counting cards in the only way to beat BJ in the long run. However, I do feel that using a betting system can win short term. I decided to use this system after reading Arnold Snyders web site about Oscars Grind.

I really feel that it's a strong advantage to win just a few BU and leave a table. I feel this helps reduce the houses edge. Who knows maybe I will get my but handed to me on a silver platter one day.

I will keep everyone posted on my results.
 
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Another thing I forgot to mention is I used the Aces/Fives count while using this system. My betting had nothing to do with the card counting but only used for my own curiosity. Believe it or not but the Ace/Five count seems fairly accurate from my observation. There were a lot of aces played early compared to fives on the tables I got crushed on. I thought that was interesting.
 

Thunder

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You should know that eventually you'll get hurt with this. But just out of curiosity's sake, how is that you have on some wins, 4 1/2 unit wins when you say you get up at 3 wins? Others you have less than 3 unit wins. It seems you aren't sticking to your own rules. Your "I feel this helps reduce the houses edge" is typical ploppie thinking. The house edge does not change based on what system you use but rather it chances based on its rules and the composition of cards.
 
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Thunder said:
You should know that eventually you'll get hurt with this. But just out of curiosity's sake, how is that you have on some wins, 4 1/2 unit wins when you say you get up at 3 wins? Others you have less than 3 unit wins. It seems you aren't sticking to your own rules. Your "I feel this helps reduce the houses edge" is typical ploppie thinking. The house edge does not change based on what system you use but rather it chances based on its rules and the composition of cards.
The reason I had 4 1/2 units is because on the 2nd bet I got a black jack which paid 1 1/2 and then ended with a successful double down.

On table 17 I started in the middle of a shoes and couldn't win more than the 2 and on table 18 I never got up more than 2 bu the entire shoe.

im going back tomorrow and will post the results.
 
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Today was another good day at the tables.

Table #1: -12 BU
Table #2: +3
Table #3: -12
Table #4: +3
Table #5: +3
Table #6: +4
Table #7: -6
Table #8: +3
Table #9: +3
Table #10: +3
Table #11: +4
Table #12: -2
Table #13: +3 1/2
Table #14: +3
Table #15: +3
Table #16: +2

I ended up being ahead 5 1/2 BU or 137.50

I recently bought a book called "betting on blackjack" I tried his system on Table #17 and won +6 BU or 150.00

It doesn't matter what system a player uses (card counting or voodoo betting) you need to get decent cards in order to win money. It's proven that card counting works in the long run but only if you can get the advantage. Some betting systems work even when you lose more hands than the house. So in the short term some betting systems can win money even when the player loses more hands.

Today was tough. I lost a lot of hands on the first table and hit my loss limit quick. I was close to leaving the casino after table #3 but glad I stuck it out.
 
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fredperson said:
Chitown...

Despite loads of empirical evidence to the contrary (in my case 20 years worth) you can not, absolutely, without question, under no circumstances, win at blackjack if you don't count cards.

Furthermore, even if you do count cards, you may still not win unless you can find a favorable game, with no heat, great rules, and deep penetration.

I learned all of the above from this forum.
chitown said:
Today was another good day at the tables.

Table #1: -12 BU
Table #2: +3
Table #3: -12
Table #4: +3
Table #5: +3
Table #6: +4
Table #7: -6
Table #8: +3
Table #9: +3
Table #10: +3
Table #11: +4
Table #12: -2
Table #13: +3 1/2
Table #14: +3
Table #15: +3
Table #16: +2

I ended up being ahead 5 1/2 BU or 137.50

I recently bought a book called "betting on blackjack" I tried his system on Table #17 and won +6 BU or 150.00

It doesn't matter what system a player uses (card counting or voodoo betting) you need to get decent cards in order to win money. It's proven that card counting works in the long run but only if you can get the advantage. Some betting systems work even when you lose more hands than the house. So in the short term some betting systems can win money even when the player loses more hands.

Today was tough. I lost a lot of hands on the first table and hit my loss limit quick. I was close to leaving the casino after table #3 but glad I stuck it out.
Chitown I am new to this forum and have also been dabbling with OG but not sticking to the rules hence not having consistent results, I am keen to follow your progress, so please do keep up with your updates ....
 
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SUKH, will keep you posted.

I honestly believe that card counting isn't the only way to win money at BJ. Sure some betting systems are worthless. However, with OG the player can win while losing more hands than the house. To me that's pretty powerful.

I'm not saying that im going to win everytime I walk into a casino but neither does the card counter. Like I said before both the card counter and OG player still needs decent cards to win money.
 
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I decided to post my results for a weeks worth of play. Actually 5 days worth.

Monday: Riverboat casino in Elgin, IL (6 deck, dealer hits soft 17, double on any two cards, 25 minimum bet)

Table #1: -12BU
Table #2: +3
Table #3: -12

I left the casino after getting my butt handed to me. -525 for the day

Tuesday: Riverboat casino in Aurora, IL (8 deck, dealer hits soft 17, double on any two cards, 10 minimum bet)

I decided to try and win 6 betting units per table since my minimum bet was lower.

Table #1: +6 BU
Table #2: -12
Table #3: +6
Table #4: +6
Table #5: +6
Table #6: +4 (ran out of time and had to leave casino)

+ 160.00 for the day and -365.00 for the week

Wednesday: Riverboat casino in Aurora, IL (same as above, 10 minimum bet)

Table #1: +6
Table #2: +6
Table #3: -4 (shoe ended on a bad note so I left the table)
Table #4: +6

I ran out of time and had to leave.

+140 for the day and -225 for the week

Thursday: Riverboat casino Elgin, IL (25 minimum, 6 deck game same as Monday)

Table #1: +3
Table #2: +12 (I won the first 8 hands and 10 out of 12) I broke my own rule of leaving the table after 3 wins because I kept winning and the dealer was busting almost every hand)
Table #3: +3
Table #4: +4 (won a double down on last hand)
Table #5: +3
Table #6: -4
Table #7: -3
Table #8: +3
Table #9: +8
Table #10: +8

I left up 925 for the day and +700 for the week.

Friday: River boat casino in Elgin same game and minimum bet as before.

I decided to up my betting units to 6 before leaving a table.

Table #1: -12
Table #2: +6
Table #3: +6
Table #4: -12
Table #5: +7
Table #6: +6
Table #7: +6
Table #8: +6
Table #9: +4 (left the casino)

I left up +425 and +1125 for the week.



I had a decent week at the casinos. I have found that OG works much better when using 10.00 betting units. I won most of my money at the Elgin casino but they don't offer ten dollar betting units. At Elgin I have to play 25.00 minimums and the bets get really high while working thru the grind. Some of my high bets were 200 dollars per hand and that's a bit much for me. When I was at Aurora the 10 dollar minimums were much less stressful. My highest bet at Aurora was 80 dollars using OG.

My observations about using oscars grind is this: I'm confident OG can work very well while using 10 dollars BU. If using 25 dollar BU the high bets can get out of control. A black jack player can also stop the OG progression if the amount grows too high and start over which is another powerful weapon. We all know that card counting wins in the long run but OG can win in the short term.

I'm not going to achieve my goal of 30,000 for the month. However, 10,000 is realistic. Playing 10 dollar betting unit and setting a win goal of 350.00 per day is totally possible.

I will continue to post each week on my results.

On a side note, i've been practicing the red seven count system. I will be using the system along with OG to prevent myself from getting smoked at a table. I'm willing to bet that the tables I lost the 12 BU had negative counts that were fairly high.
 
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im giving OG a go

Hey Chitown
Keep it up, I myself have saved a bankroll of £5000 aside and will attempt OG, playing similar to you with a stop loss of -12 but with +6 win per table and will see how far that 5000 gets,starting with £10 tables so even if i go on a losing streak I still have a decent br to last me 2 weeks, but I highly doubt that will occur. I will keep you posted
 
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sukh said:
Hey Chitown
Keep it up, I myself have saved a bankroll of £5000 aside and will attempt OG, playing similar to you with a stop loss of -12 but with +6 win per table and will see how far that 5000 gets,starting with £10 tables so even if i go on a losing streak I still have a decent br to last me 2 weeks, but I highly doubt that will occur. I will keep you posted
Sounds great keep me posted on your results. Im hitting the tables this week and will post my results.

Your bankroll is plenty for the 10 dollar BU.
 
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