Land vs Online I am a newbie

[csmaple]

Hello everyone this is my first post.

I have played at several land casinos in AC, Conn, Cruise ships and Canada. I seem to do pretty well. Most time walking out with more cash than I came with. I play BS and have recently read some books on basic counting but somehow it seems that i may have already been subconsciously keeping track of high and low cards. Any way maybe the cards were just good for me. AC being a 4 hour drive makes a weekly game hard so I thought I would try the Online Casino.

I have played at several. Tried the sticky bonus and cashable bonuses. On a whole I am down. Only got lucky on a couple of runs. The random number generator seems to favor that house more so than the land casino using a traditional shoe. Or even the automatic shuffler.

I was wondering if this has been the general consensus? Also I agree with a couple of posters as it is easier to walk away from a table game when winning and losing than it is at home. Several times I have had a run of bad cards and gone to watch TV for a while only to end up back online to blow the rest of the bank.

Hope I havent bored you to much. Would like to hear from anyone on their experiences.

Thanks

[aussiecounter]

I think you are just trying to explain your losses. The online casino's 'random number generators' is that, a totally random number generator. Its the rules of their game etc that will end up taking your money. The house edge (how much of your total betting that they'll take), is not that bad, I believe, in comparison to most real casinos.

Were you playing the online casinos just to take advantage of the bonuses? If so, did you read up on how to do this first? You should have had pretty good odds of making a profit from the cashable bonuses, if you we're playing just for the bonus, not to gamble.

Most people on this Forum will tell you that the only worthwhile reason to use online casinos is to take advantage of the bonuses.

[Liquid Chips]

There are more losing streaks with online casinos, period. You can have a 40-hand losing streak and the cards can still be random. Online casinos boast of being certified as fair and random but that is only for the cards selected, NOT the outcome. The winning/losing outcome is DIFFERENT from the selection of the cards.

Land-based casinos have an advantage that you can SEE the shoe or shuffle machine not being tampered with. Online, you can't. An independent third party is needed to control the card deck/shoe to ensure that the hole, hit and dealer cards are not being changed after the player receives his virtual cards.

A guy named Cipher has done much work on this topic. He has software that can track your blackjack session so you can see the patterns develope as they happen. Enough said.

[aussiecounter]

Originally Posted by Liquid Chips

There are more losing streaks with online casinos, period. You can have a 40-hand losing streak and the cards can still be random. Online casinos boast of being certified as fair and random but that is only for the cards selected, NOT the outcome. The winning/losing outcome is DIFFERENT from the selection of the cards.

Land-based casinos have an advantage that you can SEE the shoe or shuffle machine not being tampered with. Online, you can't. An independent third party is needed to control the card deck/shoe to ensure that the hole, hit and dealer cards are not being changed after the player receives his virtual cards.

A guy named Cipher has done much work on this topic. He has software that can track your blackjack session so you can see the patterns develope as they happen. Enough said.

I challenge your first statement outright. What gives you that indication? Personal experience?
A 40 hand streak either way has probably NEVER happened, and probably never will(except maybe if you played to lose).
I believe online casinos these days are all independantly certified and verified and monitored etc. They all rely on the specific rules of their blackjack game, with random card dealing, to make their money. Not on tricks like you hint at.
Don't the cards selected determine the outcome? You are confusing.

So with a land based Casino, how do you know they are not screwing you? Do you know that they haven't cut a few tens/pictures out? Yes? How?
You don't.

A guy named Cipher?

[Liquid Chips]

Originally Posted by aussiecounter

I challenge your first statement outright. What gives you that indication? Personal experience?

Both personal experience and experiences of virtually every online blackjack player. It goes without saying that online blackjack is different than on land.

A 40 hand streak either way has probably NEVER happened, and probably never will(except maybe if you played to lose).

Cipher (of course, not his real name ) recorded a 37 hand losing streak at Lasseters.

I believe online casinos these days are all independantly certified and verified and monitored etc. They all rely on the specific rules of their blackjack game, with random card dealing, to make their money. Not on tricks like you hint at.

I believe otherwise.

Don't the cards selected determine the outcome? You are confusing.

Not necessarily. The outcome is determined first and the cards "randomly" selected WITHIN A RANGE OF CARDS that would provide the pre-determined outcome. As more hands are played, the more the overall distribution of cards appear to be even or "random".

So with a land based Casino, how do you know they are not screwing you? Do you know that they haven't cut a few tens/pictures out? Yes? How? You don't.

Right, I don't. I'm not saying that land-based casinos don't screw you over. Rather that it is harder for them to do so being that land-based is regulated and the cards are watched. I believe that cheating in land-based casinos is faaar from prevalent as it is online.

A guy named Cipher?

Of course, it's his internet name.

[E-town-guy]

Originally Posted by Liquid Chips

Cipher (of course, not his real name ) recorded a 37 hand losing streak at Lasseters.

Cipher, was that the guy off those Matrix movies??

[LethalWeapon]

Do you guys agree with liquid chips? It seems pretty unlikely to me...

[aussiecounter]

Originally Posted by LethalWeapon

Do you guys agree with liquid chips? It seems pretty unlikely to me...

On which specific item? I think some of his comments are very hard to believe(40, or 37 hand losing streak would be one in thousands of, possibly millions of billions to one), and I believed differently about how the online casinos made their hands up, but I'm not certain.

[Liquid Chips]

Originally Posted by aussiecounter

On which specific item? I think some of his comments are very hard to believe(40, or 37 hand losing streak would be one in thousands of, possibly millions of billions to one), and I believed differently about how the online casinos made their hands up, but I'm not certain.

Ok...looking up the posting where Cipher says 37-hands, I need to make a technical correction....the 37-hands includes pushes. He doesn't say how many but here is the post: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/39600-post29.html

Here is his web address: www.cipherblackjack.com and read his commentary on the introduction page.

I guess at this point, you'll have to make up your own minds. It wouldn't be useful to go back and forth, so I'll just shut up here on this issue. Unless of course, it comes up again later. Always have to point a newbie to a different viewpoint for his/her consideration.

[LeonShuffle]

I have played at many, many on-line casinos. In the beginning, I was keeping pretty detailed records of my wins and losses. My worst streak without a win ever was 18 hands, although I don't remember which casino it was in. My best winning streak while I was keeping track was 12 at Casino-On-Net. That included 3 BJs and 4 DDs.

After about 3 months of playing on-line, I was up about $1,200. Most of that was from bonuses but I was also on the plus side from the actual gambling. That convinced me that it's fair and I stopped keeping track at that point. Since then, I've collected a few more bonuses and if I had to guess I'd say that I've pretty much evened out as far as the wins/losses. I'm probably just a little negative now, which of course, I should be.