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July 3rd, 2008, 11:43 PM
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ZG's Pertinent Things Americans Ignore in IGNORANCE
These are facts Americans continue to ignore:
1. It is not our duty or obligation to remove any dictator from any foreign country by invading and killing anyone in our way. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
2. It is not our responsibility to invade a foreign country to promote the evil of democracy. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
3 - It is not our responsibility to invade any foreign country to allegedly protect a neighboring country to settle squabbling, religious or tribal differences between them that have lasted decades or a thousand years. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
4. The U.S. Constitution does not authorize the American people to be robbed using borrowed money to fund wars based on lies and what is known as nation building. Our military is for our defense, period. We have the right to defend if attacked.
5. Bush has acknowledged the fact that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with September 11, 2001.
6. There were no weapons of mass destruction.
7. Iraq was NOT any kind of threat to these united States of America.
8. Bush and his co conspirators planned the invasion of Iraq long before September 11, 2001, because it is the agenda being pursued for world government and every country who doesn't fall lock step into line will be invaded and occupied until the desired results are achieved. That agenda includes making sure control of the world's oil supply is in the hands of the power brokers who own the U.S. Congress.
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July 4th, 2008, 01:53 AM
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These are facts Americans continue to ignore:
1. It is not our duty or obligation to remove any dictator from any foreign country by invading and killing anyone in our way. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
2. It is not our responsibility to invade a foreign country to promote the evil of democracy. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
3 - It is not our responsibility to invade any foreign country to allegedly protect a neighboring country to settle squabbling, religious or tribal differences between them that have lasted decades or a thousand years. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
4. The U.S. Constitution does not authorize the American people to be robbed using borrowed money to fund wars based on lies and what is known as nation building. Our military is for our defense, period. We have the right to defend if attacked.
5. Bush has acknowledged the fact that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with September 11, 2001.
6. There were no weapons of mass destruction.
7. Iraq was NOT any kind of threat to these united States of America.
8. Bush and his co conspirators planned the invasion of Iraq long before September 11, 2001, because it is the agenda being pursued for world government and every country who doesn't fall lock step into line will be invaded and occupied until the desired results are achieved. That agenda includes making sure control of the world's oil supply is in the hands of the power brokers who own the U.S. Congress.
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concerning #4 what was 9/11 if not an attack?
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July 4th, 2008, 02:44 AM
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July 5th, 2008, 11:07 AM
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Sheer volume of hor$e$hit just makes for a big pile of cr*p.
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July 5th, 2008, 11:22 AM
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concerning #4 what was 9/11 if not an attack?
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It was a criminal act by a group of Saudi Arabians -- incidentally, enemies of Saddam. An attack is mounted by a foreign government.
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July 5th, 2008, 11:28 AM
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It was a criminal act by a group of Saudi Arabians -- incidentally, enemies of Saddam. An attack is mounted by a foreign government.
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would you agree 9/11 was a relatively unique form of attack in US history?
would you agree it was an act of terrorism?
should we allow a foreign government to harbour terrorists that have attacked the US?
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July 5th, 2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by zengrifter
These are facts Americans continue to ignore:
1. It is not our duty or obligation to remove any dictator from any foreign country by invading and killing anyone in our way. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
But you must admit that the world is a much, cuch smaller place than it was in the days of the Monroe Doctrine. In fact, the other side of the world is now closer than our own hemisphere was back in the day. The important thing is not to remove a dictator unless they pose a genuine imminent threat to the people of the United States of America.
2. It is not our responsibility to invade a foreign country to promote the evil of democracy. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
First of all, democracy is not evil. It is simply a system of government (ours in the form of a Republic) that is the best form of government known to mankind. Your forms of communism and anarchy will not work and have proven to be inferior whenever and wherever they have been tried. Communism only works where all the people voluntarily subscribe to it, including those born into it, such as the early Christians attempted in the first century. Even there it was not long-lived.
3 - It is not our responsibility to invade any foreign country to allegedly protect a neighboring country to settle squabbling, religious or tribal differences between them that have lasted decades or a thousand years. The Monroe Doctrine, December 2, 1823
We should not intervene in the business of others except in the form of peacemaker, and in defense of our allies.
4. The U.S. Constitution does not authorize the American people to be robbed using borrowed money to fund wars based on lies and what is known as nation building. Our military is for our defense, period. We have the right to defend if attacked.
Here! Here! Of course, "deliberate" lies have not been proven--only that the war was based on widely held, though disputed here and there, beliefs established through faulty intelligence and Saddam's won attempts to mislead the world about WMD. Nation building is only a good idea when the people revolt and overthrow an oppressive government and request our help. We must be very cautious in considering such a course of action, but it is not unlike our own humble beginnings where others came to our aid in our own American Revolution.
5. Bush has acknowledged the fact that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with September 11, 2001.
Yes, he has come to believe that. Saddam did provide safe haven for certain known terrorists as I recall. But there was no 811 connection. The war was ill-conceived from the start. Let's make the best out of how we withdraw, trying to repair as much of the damage as possible, and trying to support the new government in the interest of ME peace. Let's also withdraw our presence from the ME as it heightens the risk of US involvement in war there.
6. There were no weapons of mass destruction.
After he destroyed them he only pretended to reconstitute them.
7. Iraq was NOT any kind of threat to these united States of America.
No "imminent" threat in my opinion. Yes, he was a threat. The world is better without him.
8. Bush and his co conspirators planned the invasion of Iraq long before September 11, 2001, because it is the agenda being pursued for world government and every country who doesn't fall lock step into line will be invaded and occupied until the desired results are achieved. That agenda includes making sure control of the world's oil supply is in the hands of the power brokers who own the U.S. Congress.
Purely a speculation on your part. It would be a better world if independent democratic republics existed everywhere around the world. There is no lockstep policy except to do good. Gee! I thought the Saudis and others controlled the oil supply. I think if the Saudis had any suspicion that we were trying to wrest control out of their hands, they would have kicked us out long ago. A ver fanciful speculation on your part, I must say.
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July 5th, 2008, 11:57 AM
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It was a criminal act by a group of Saudi Arabians -- incidentally, enemies of Saddam. An attack is mounted by a foreign government.
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Arabs were patsy-scapegoats. Israel was closer to it, but sanctioned. zg The Israeli Shipping Company that moved out of the WTC one week prior to 9/11
That a company moved from one place to another is not news, it happens all the time.
But for a company partially owned by the state of Israel to move out of the WTC one week before the attacks and forfeit $50,000.00 in broken lease fees is news.
And where has Zim moved part of its operations to?
Houston, Texas
Clearing the Baffles for 911
O’Neill’s FBI colleague, Mike Dick, aggressively investigated this Israeli ring before and after 911 . But like O’Neill, he soon found himself removed from his duties on the orders of the then-head of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division Michael Chertoff. Dick was very suspicious when Israeli movers quickly moved Zim American Israeli Shipping Company out of its 10,000 square feet of office space on the 17th Floor of the North Tower of the World Trade Center. The partially Israeli state-owned firm forfeited a $50,000 security deposit when it terminated its lease and vacated the building one week prior to 911. According to a non official cover (NOC) CIA source who worked with Dick, Israeli movers moved explosives into the 17th Floor office space after Zim moved out.
After 911, Dick as well as the CIA NOC were harassed by their superiors on orders “from above.” Those orders came from Chertoff. Dick was first relieved of his primary counter-espionage duties, eventually sent to Pakistan to investigate the kidnapping of <>Wall Street Journal<> reporter Daniel Pearl, and eventually buried in a desk job at FBI headquarters in Washington, DC. According to the CIA source, Pearl was murdered because he was getting too close to the money trail that financed 911.
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July 5th, 2008, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sagefr0g
would you agree 9/11 was a relatively unique form of attack in US history?
would you agree it was an act of terrorism?
should we allow a foreign government to harbour terrorists that have attacked the US?
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It was obviously an act of terrorism -- as opposed to an act of war. It was huge in numbers of deaths. But certainly very much like the OK City bombing. Iraq harbored no terrorists and had nothing to do with 9/11. The US has harbored terrorists. One of the worst was Luis Posada Carriles, who placed a bomb in an airplane killing 73 people and also bombed several hotels. US citizens also openly raised and sent money and weapons to Irish terrorists for years that were killing British cops and setting off bombs in Ireland and Britain. Before we bomb other countries for the act of individuals that happen to live in those countries, we should look at ourselves. Bush's logic suggests that we should have been bombed.
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July 5th, 2008, 02:57 PM
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It was obviously an act of terrorism -- as opposed to an act of war. It was huge in numbers of deaths. But certainly very much like the OK City bombing. Iraq harbored no terrorists and had nothing to do with 9/11. The US has harbored terrorists. One of the worst was Luis Posada Carriles, who placed a bomb in an airplane killing 73 people and also bombed several hotels. US citizens also openly raised and sent money and weapons to Irish terrorists for years that were killing British cops and setting off bombs in Ireland and Britain. Before we bomb other countries for the act of individuals that happen to live in those countries, we should look at ourselves. Bush's logic suggests that we should have been bombed.
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still not sure your position on whether we should allow foreign governments to harbour terrorists that have attacked the US.
but ok another question. whats the solution to dealing with terrorism?
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