losing control

[evilrobotmonkey]

last night, i sat down at a $10 min table and did bet spreads of $10 - $150. i was up 300, down 300, and even for the entire night. i got tired and should've left, but then a bad streak hit me. the count was high and i lost most of my big bets, and before i knew it i was down $700. i kept playing to "try to get even." i was tired and steaming so i couldn't even count properly. I also started increasing my bets. when the count seemed reasonably high, i'd put 300 out there. bam, lost all the big bets too. i ended up losing $1900 after a 10 hour overnight session.

well, there goes all my winnings for the week. i have learned my lesson about staying disciplined in this game. but who knows, had i not started steaming and increasing my bets, and kept a proper count and betting system, i still may have lost a lot because i was really unlucky. variance is a btch.

any one have similar experiences?

[moo321]

Before you ever hit the casino, decide on your betting spread. And then NEVER bet differently.

[evilrobotmonkey]

Originally Posted by moo321

Before you ever hit the casino, decide on your betting spread. And then NEVER bet differently.

i'm assuming this is all for bankroll management, right? sometimes when the count gets uncommonly high, wouldn't you want to place a bigger bet out there?

[shadroch]

I'd be very curious which casino allowed you to spread 1-15 during a ten hour session.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by evilrobotmonkey

i'm assuming this is all for bankroll management, right? sometimes when the count gets uncommonly high, wouldn't you want to place a bigger bet out there?

Yes to the first.

No to the second lol.

Thank you moo - truer words were never spoken lol.

[evilrobotmonkey]

i can, and have, gotten away with it at many casinos. i'm making bets of 10, 15, 25, 50, and sometimes i'll do 100 on 2 hands. when i make big bets i put on an "ahh eff it" act if i had lost the hand before, or "woo play my rush!" if i'm winning . when the count tanks, and i'll go back down from $100 to $20, and be like "ok i'm gonna slow down" if i'd won the hand before or "man this isn't working out for me" if i had lost. then i'll go back to $15 or $10 the next hand. i see people who are obviously not counters spreading their bets all the time. i don't think spreading $10 to $150 is that suspicious. $10 to like $500 could be though.

[shadroch]

Yes,people who are not counters can get away with it,because the casino knows they are no threat.If they are allowing you to spread 1-15 on ten hour sessions,your counting may not be as strong as you think it is. According to your earlier posts,you are just starting to count. So if you have indeed gotten away with betting 1-15 spreads in many casinos,it couldn't have been when you counting,now could it? Forget what you were able to do as a BS player,card counters face a whole different scrutiny.

[evilrobotmonkey]

Originally Posted by shadroch

Yes,people who are not counters can get away with it,because the casino knows they are no threat.If they are allowing you to spread 1-15 on ten hour sessions,your counting may not be as strong as you think it is.

it probably isn't. i'm still new to counting and i use a simple hi/lo system and some indices. normally, i do get my counts right as i do not miss any cards. and my sessions are usually shorter when i count. however, last night, i was losing. if i was spreading 1-15 and winning it'd probably catch more attention but i wasn't, which explains why i stayed so long. not to mention that i wasn't counting properly at times because i was steaming.

just wondering, how would they "not allow" me to spread 1-15 if i were to be counting strongly one day? would i have to be winning? would someone eventually notice my patterns and ask me to leave? with the amounts i bet, i don't feel like people think i'm a real threat. on the other hand, whenever there are people betting 300+ a hand, i see them being watched like a hawk.

another reason that i get away with it may be that i'm a girl so i don't look like a counter.

[shadroch]

Originally Posted by evilrobotmonkey

it probably isn't. i'm still new to counting and i use a simple hi/lo system and some indices. not to mention that last night, i lost control and wasn't counting properly for a while.

how would they "not allow" me to spread 1-15 if i'm counting strongly? would someone eventually notice my patterns and ask me to leave?

another thing may be that i'm a girl so i don't look like a counter.

Depends where you are playing. If you are jumping from red to black,you've already been noticed.They can tell you you can only flat bet. They can shuffle up everytime you place a big bet. They can ask you to leave. They can backroom you. Casinos have lots of options.Players have few.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by evilrobotmonkey

it probably isn't. .

On the other hand, maybe your counting is just fine.

Maybe you just need to learn about variance etc - like being down 5 max bets after many hours (5*150) is probably gonna happen lol lol so get used to it.

Losing another $1200 after that with a $300 max bet (4max bets) is probably gonna happen too lol.

Did you say losing $1900 just offsets the same amount you had won, more or less, for the week? Were you using the same 1-15 spread then, more or less?
Apparently no heat then lol?

No big deal lol but stuff like "i still may have lost a lot because i was really unlucky. variance is a btch." is maybe what you have to work on lol. Are you saying when you apparently won $1900 earlier in the week (if you did) that you were really lucky and that Old Lady Variance isn't such a bitch after all?

So, at this point, what is your EV more or less and how upset would you be if you lost say 20 max bets in an hour? It can, maybe likely will, happen lol.

I'm rambling lol. At least just know about what to expect from your "plain vanilla" game lol. Good luck to you.