Im Still Confused-HELP

[kingalex1]

i get the jist of card counting, count the 10's as plus one, and everything else as negative, and then bet big when count is high- however i still dont understand what the advantage is when the count is high? When there is a high chance of 10s and aces, what does that do for the players that it doesnt do for the dealer

Is it bc the dealer has to deal out to the rest of the table 1st-so theres a good chance that the tens will be dealt out already, and then the dealer hopefully gets a lower card??

Does the number of players at the table do anything to help/hurt the players?

Also, i noticed the casino uses 4-5 decks at once- does that help dampen the advantage of card counting?, or does it have an affect? Your guys help would be greatly appreciated

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by kingalex1

i get the jist of card counting, count the 10's as plus one, and everything else as negative, and then bet big when count is high...

Yaa, King Alex!!! zg

[Canceler]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Yaa, King Alex!!! zg

Yeah, the little he thinks he knows is wrong.

King Alex -

Start with the sticky threads at the top of this forum, first the FAQ, then the Free Counting Resources. If you don't know basic strategy for the game you'll be playing, learn that. We'll be glad to help you, but you need to learn the basics first.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by Canceler

Yeah, the little he thinks he knows is wrong.

King Alex -

Start with the sticky threads at the top of this forum, first the FAQ, then the Free Counting Resources. If you don't know basic strategy for the game you'll be playing, learn that. We'll be glad to help you, but you need to learn the basics first.

Well, aren't you helpful - a regular goddamn maitre'de! zg

[Canceler]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Well, aren't you helpful - a regular goddamn maitre'de! zg

Oh come on, zg, we're supposed to be trying to appear friendly here!

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by Canceler

Oh come on, zg, we're supposed to be trying to appear friendly here!

"Right this way, Sir Alex. Follow me to the conveniently located stickies, Sir King." zg

[bj bob]

Originally Posted by Canceler

Oh come on, zg, we're supposed to be trying to appear friendly here!

Yeah Zg. Where the hell is your sensitivity? Did you leave it at Club Fed or somewhere else? Sounds like you need to mellow out in Reno with some soul soothing SD, no?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Yeah Zg. Where the hell is your sensitivity? Did you leave it at Club Fed or somewhere else? Sounds like you need to mellow out in Reno with some soul soothing SD, no?

Right now I'd settle for 6D with 66%! zg

[wvbjplayer]

Originally Posted by kingalex1

i get the jist of card counting, count the 10's as plus one, and everything else as negative, and then bet big when count is high- however i still dont understand what the advantage is when the count is high? When there is a high chance of 10s and aces, what does that do for the players that it doesnt do for the dealer

Is it bc the dealer has to deal out to the rest of the table 1st-so theres a good chance that the tens will be dealt out already, and then the dealer hopefully gets a lower card??

Does the number of players at the table do anything to help/hurt the players?

Also, i noticed the casino uses 4-5 decks at once- does that help dampen the advantage of card counting?, or does it have an affect? Your guys help would be greatly appreciated

1. Facecards count as negative 1, not plus 1. Small cards (2s-6s) count as plus 1. Note, also, that this applies only to certain counting systems, such as Hi-Low (the best of the basic systems, and the one I use myself).

1. Players get paid 3:2 for blackjacks, meaning if you bet $10 and get a bj, you win $15. The dealer (house), naturally, enjoys no similar advantage. Furthermore, in a high count, the player has the option of standing on "stiff" (bustable) hands, i.e., 12s-16s, whereas the dealer does not. The dealer always has to draw to 17, giving him a high probability of busting in a high count whenever he DOESN'T have a "pat" hand (17 or higher).

3. The number of players at the table, theoretically, makes no difference at all, since there is no way of predicting WHEN the good cards will spill out. Nevertheless, many card-counters (myself included) prefer to play "heads up," or 1 on 1 w/ the dealer, simply to speed things up, eliminate aggravating misplays by others, and avoid the frustration of having to watch other players (usu "ploppies," or inexperienced players) "eat up" all the good cards.

4. In fact, most casinos today, esp outside Vegas and AC, use 6- or 8-deck shoes. If you can find a 4-deck shoe, you're in good shape. Single or double deck, and you're in heaven. Indeed, all else being equal, the more cards in the shoe, the smaller the card-counter's advantage, insofar as high counts (say, >+5) are less likely to occur with a larger number of decks; the more cards in a shoe, the more evenly they tend to be distributed, making fairly neutral counts the norm. Also, obviously, it's easier to keep track of the count through 4 decks than through 8. Far more important than the number of decks in play, however, is the [I]penetration[I], or how deeply into the shoe the dealer deals. If there's, say, 85% penetration, meaning the dealer deals all but 15% of the cards, the card-counter will be able to achieve a much more specific, reliable idea of the remaining composition of the shoe than if the dealer dealt merely, say, 75% into the shoe.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you're still confused.

wvbjplayer

[SD Padres]

Originally Posted by kingalex1

i get the jist of card counting, count the 10's as plus one, and everything else as negative, and then bet big when count is high- however i still dont understand what the advantage is when the count is high? When there is a high chance of 10s and aces, what does that do for the players that it doesnt do for the dealer

Is it bc the dealer has to deal out to the rest of the table 1st-so theres a good chance that the tens will be dealt out already, and then the dealer hopefully gets a lower card??

Does the number of players at the table do anything to help/hurt the players?

Also, i noticed the casino uses 4-5 decks at once- does that help dampen the advantage of card counting?, or does it have an affect? Your guys help would be greatly appreciated

And everyone was worried the movie "21" was gonna hurt the game for AP's. Yeah right...