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Old July 16th, 2008, 01:51 PM
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Default 6D Flat Betting Verification?

I was just skimming through the "Grifter Gambit" and was thinking about this strategy that I did not invent but that I do use very occassionally. Let me disclaim that I use it only for comp purposes and very rarely to lower the thermostat on the casino floor. It's sometimes the only strategy that I use in "home-base" casinos and as a further disclaimer, I heard of it in Ian Andersen's Burning the Tables in Las Vegas.

THE GAME: 6D; 75% pen.; DA2; DAS; LS; RS3; allowed to bet two boxes at will; no mid-shoe entry allowed.

THE STRATEGY: Never play with anyone else at the table. Flat-bet one unit in each of two boxes from the top of the shoe. (Obviously, I'm using Wong's Halves.) I'm dividing the RC by only whole half-decks left unseen such that even if only six cards were used in the first hand, I'm dividing the RC before the second hand by 11 halves. I'm truncating the TC in all instances save two. I'm betting insurance when the TC is greater than 3.33. Also, I'm wonging out never to play the shoe again when the TC is less than or equal to -0.75. I'm playing all other BS deviations from -2 to +10 with what I believe is absolute precision. This is what I've been doing to get free rooms and other services.

THE TESTING: I used the "demo version" of CVCData with the above inputs and came up with a positive expectation of about 0.25% or "a half a unit" per 100 rounds. Needless to say, the risk is enormous and my bankroll is nowhere close minimizing said theoretical risk. I say theoretical because if I input the data incorrectly or if the simulation is incorrect, the risk-of-ruin could actually be 100% for any sized bankroll. Furthermore, I'm extremely new to CV software. Therefore...

THE QUESTION: Can someone else verify what I have tested? I'm hoping that someone with more software experience can give me an answer that I can be more confident with because they are more familiar with sim software than I am. Also, if they feel so inclined and if positive expectation is indeed possible, would it be possible with Hi-Lo and/or would Uston APC be more advantageous than Halves?

THE PAYMENT: If it's true, you just learned of an advanced technique. If it's false, we both waisted our time and I apologize.

Sincerely,
Halves
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Old July 16th, 2008, 04:01 PM
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Default Work Less, Work Smarter, Make More!

You are working hard for little in return. I think if you give it a little thought you can have more camoflauge and play a stronger game. The two are not always incompatible.

Did you double the tags for your count to divide by half deck?
Example:
5 = 3
A = -2
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Old July 17th, 2008, 09:03 AM
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Default You're right.

I'm not trying to make actual monetary gain from this strategy. The return is way too small if it even exists. I just used it a few times per day for a few minutes at a time as I was leaving the home base casino and as I was coming back in.

I don't have the software at my work computer. I forget whether or not I doubled the tags. I'll have to check tonight.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 12:29 PM
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Thumbs down Counting as easy as 5 ummm 1.5 or 3?

If you cannot tell me immediately whether you count a 5 as 1.5 or 3 then you are not ready for casino play.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 12:43 PM
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Default I misunderstood.

I certainly know what I use in practice. I thought you were asking me what the sim was saying that it used. I do not double tag values in practice.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 02:18 PM
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Default Don't Double and Stay Out of Trouble

If you do not double tag values then you should divide by full deck not half deck to determine TC.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 05:46 PM
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If it's false, we both waisted our time and I apologize.
Its false but thats allowe, no apology necessary.

In general you can bet two hands at minimum, its the equivalent risk of 1.5u bet on one hand. zg
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