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July 18th, 2008, 01:25 AM
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Is this beatable?
New account, for personal reasons.
6 Decks, 75% penetration, Stands on soft 17, Double 9,10,11, Double after split allowed, No re split aces, Blackjack pays 3:2. No surrender, Original busted bets only.
Using high low WITHOUT illustrious 18
True count:
0 or less = 1 unit
1 = 3 unit
2 = 5 unit
3 = 7 unit
4 = 9 unit
5 = 11 unit
6 = 13 unit
Do I need a bigger spread assuming I get no heat from the pits? What should be more ideal?
Thank you for your time
Ps: Haven't watched 21 yet.
Edit: Not for pro, but 20% of income. Replaceable bankroll, 100 unit.
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July 18th, 2008, 09:30 AM
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Take Insurance when count is +3 or more.
Don't hit 16 vs T in positive counts.
There. You now have added 70% of the profit you can make by using the I18 strategy deviations. Pretty simple, huh?
I would make a bigger jump in bet size at +4 and +5, and only bet 2 units at +1.
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July 18th, 2008, 10:16 AM
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I agree. I might try something like this:
<2 = 1 unit
+2 = 2 units
+3 = 4 units
+4 = 2 hands of 4 units
>4 = 2 hands of 8 units
This bet ramp is more profitable and it will allow you to parlay each bet so it will look fairly natural. There is more information on betting strategies in the Free Counting Resources thread above.
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July 18th, 2008, 10:23 AM
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Thank you all very much for your replies, really appreciate it.
I went today and was on a 51unit upswing.
I decided to do a 3unit x true count above 2
Eg:
True count 3= 9 units
True count 4 = 12 units
I wish 51 unit in 3 hours was sustainable.
I am going to incorporate
Insurance on 3
12 v 3 = 2
12 vs 2 = 3
11 vs A = 1
9 vs 2 = 1
Eventually going to learn the illustrious 18
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July 18th, 2008, 10:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unknown_aussie
I am going to incorporate
Insurance on 3
12 v 3 = 2
12 vs 2 = 3
11 vs A = 1
9 vs 2 = 1
Eventually going to learn the illustrious 18
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Start with Insurance, 16 vs. 10 and 15 vs. 10. Those three indices are more important than the other ones. You can learn the ones above too, but start with those three.
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July 18th, 2008, 11:43 AM
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Correct.
Insurance @ +3,
16 vs. 10 @ +0 and
15 vs. 10 @ +5
throw in 16 vs 5 @ +5
and the gain from these plays equals the gain from at least 17 other deviations.
Throw in double down on 9 vs 2 @ +1 and 9 vs 7 @ +3, if you want some more action.
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July 18th, 2008, 02:13 PM
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This thread is very helpful to me thank you.
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July 18th, 2008, 09:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cardcounter0
Correct.
Insurance @ +3,
16 vs. 10 @ +0 and
15 vs. 10 @ +5
throw in 16 vs 5 @ +5
and the gain from these plays equals the gain from at least 17 other deviations.
Throw in double down on 9 vs 2 @ +1 and 9 vs 7 @ +3, if you want some more action.
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16 vs 5 @ +5 means what exactly?
Edit:
From wizard
Illustrious 18
Order Play Index Number
1 Insurance +3
2 16 Vs. 10 +0
3 15 Vs. 10 +4
4 10,10 Vs. 5 +5
5 10,10 Vs. 6 +4
6 10 Vs. 10 +4
7 12 Vs. 3 +2
8 12 Vs. 2 +3
9 11 Vs. A +1
10 9 Vs. 2 +1
11 10 Vs. A +4
12 9 Vs. 7 +3
13 16 Vs. 9 +5
14 13 Vs. 2 -1
15 12 Vs. 4 0
16 12 Vs. 5 -2
17 12 Vs. 6 -1
18 13 Vs. 3 -2
Of those 18, I dont think you need to split tens, and hit 12 vs 4,5,6, and 13 vs 3, the reaction you get from other players causes too much attention in my opinion, and the % gain is not that much. Correct me if I am wrong.
I will be using the following:
1 Insurance +3
2 16 Vs. 10 +0
3 15 Vs. 10 +4
4 10 Vs. 10 +4
5 12 Vs. 3 +2
6 12 Vs. 2 +3
7 11 Vs. A +1
8 9 Vs. 2 +1
9 10 Vs. A +4
10 9 Vs. 7 +3
11 16 Vs. 9 +5
I just thought of a new spread that I will be using, but where I am, there is very little or no heat from pit bosses/dealers. Only worry is the eye in the sky.
True count 1 or less = 1-2 unit (To look a little natural)
True count 2 = 2 squared = 4 unit
True count 3 = 3 squared = 9 unit
True count 4 = 16 unit
True count 5 = 25 unit
True count 6 = 36 unit
True count 7 = 49 unit (where I am max is 50 units, so betting 49 wont alert the floor)
Thoughts?
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July 19th, 2008, 02:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unknown_aussie
New account, for personal reasons.
6 Decks, 75% penetration, Stands on soft 17, Double 9,10,11, Double after split allowed, No re split aces, Blackjack pays 3:2. No surrender, Original busted bets only.
Using high low WITHOUT illustrious 18
True count:
0 or less = 1 unit
1 = 3 unit
2 = 5 unit
3 = 7 unit
4 = 9 unit
5 = 11 unit
6 = 13 unit
Do I need a bigger spread assuming I get no heat from the pits? What should be more ideal?
Thank you for your time
Ps: Haven't watched 21 yet.
Edit: Not for pro, but 20% of income. Replaceable bankroll, 100 unit.
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July 19th, 2008, 09:30 AM
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I went to play today, won another 70 unit, total of 120 units. I believe I got the good part of variance.
I further changed my spread
TC = 1 or less = 1 unit
TC = 2 = 4 unit
TC = 3 = 9 unit
TC = 4 = 16 unit
TC = 5 = 25 unit
TC = 6 50 unit
TC = 7 = 100 unit
Comments? Assuming I get up after I win 50 unit, and get no heat from dealers/pit bosses. Only worry is eye in the sky as mentioned.
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