Advice please

[FBN]

I'm sure you guys have a term for guys like me, but I'm going ask my dumb question anyway.
I make an occasional trip to the local river boat with $200, sit at the first table I come to and loose my money in $10 increments. My question is this; I like BJ and want to learn how to play and win. I've found a BS trainer and would greatly appreciate any advice.

[Mr. T]

Originally Posted by FBN

I'm sure you guys have a term for guys like me, but I'm going ask my dumb question anyway.
I make an occasional trip to the local river boat with $200, sit at the first table I come to and loose my money in $10 increments. My question is this; I like BJ and want to learn how to play and win. I've found a BS trainer and would greatly appreciate any advice.

Expect to lose. You cannot win.

[FBN]

I meant lose not loose.
What I should've said was I'd like to learn how to play, be less of a nuisance to those who are serious and maybe make a little money in the process.

[Mr. T]

I understand you. Do you understand me.

[Harman]

Learn BS perfectly. Learn how to count cards using a good count - KO or High Low. Learn deviations. Learn how to camoflauge. Learn Bankroll management. Build a decent bankroll. Calculate your EV and ROR. Practice everything again. Maybe then you could go back to that river boat, choose a table with decent rules and a shoe - not CSM! Jump in when the TC reachs +2 and flat bet. Wong out when it gets to +1 or lower. Once you have some experience try betting according to the count when you wong. Good luck and you might want to try this website...

Blackjackapprenticeship.com

[rob2004]

Dear FBN,

I think that the advice you have received is excellent. However, assuming that you have already mastered basic strategy, have been staying away from CSM's, are playing against the most favorable rules possible, and are already doing your best to manage your stake or bankroll, without trying either negative or positive progressions, it does not make sense that any of us would lose as consistently as we do. That is, unless there is something else going on that is effecting statistical probability. I have suggested that this unknown factor might be the card clumping that occurs when dealers pick up losing hands early, but the only response I have been able to get is that unless we learn how to count cards, we will continue to lose money. The problem is, that although card counting is fairly easy to learn, there are not many of us who have the ability to put it into effect. It is clear to me that the games are somehow being rigged, I just don' t know how to offset this effect other than to sit out as many hands as necessary, before you get a feel for the shoe returning to a reasonable win/loss ratio.

Rob

[cardcounter0]

Originally Posted by rob2004

it does not make sense that any of us would lose as consistently as we do. That is, unless there is something else going on that is effecting statistical probability.

Why does it not make sense that you would lose consistently? Plug the rules of your game into the game analyzer here. It will tell you what the HOUSE EDGE is. Notice that it is probably a negative number. That means that as long as statistical probablility works (and there is not something going on that effects it) you will lose.

Yes, the games are RIGGED! The dealer plays last. The player has to act first, if the player busts he loses, it does not matter if the dealer also busts later on that hand. Because of the play procedure, you will lose consistently in the long run, even if you play perfect basic strategy.

[ChefJJ]

Originally Posted by cardcounter0

Because of the play procedure, you will lose consistently in the long run, even if you play perfect basic strategy.

FBN,

At least you will be "losing less" over the long haul if you memorize and execute perfect basic strategy. And if you intend to play basic strategy, stick to relatively flat betting...progressions won't get you over that edge.

good luck

[GeorgeD]

Originally Posted by cardcounter0

Yes, the games are RIGGED! The dealer plays last. The player has to act first, if the player busts he loses, it does not matter if the dealer also busts later on that hand. Because of the play procedure, you will lose consistently in the long run, even if you play perfect basic strategy.

Damn those casinos! When are they going to change that stinking rule so we can all WIN all the time?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by rob2004

Dear FBN,

I think that the advice you have received is excellent. However, assuming that you have already mastered basic strategy, have been staying away from CSM's, are playing against the most favorable rules possible, and are already doing your best to manage your stake or bankroll, without trying either negative or positive progressions, it does not make sense that any of us would lose as consistently as we do. That is, unless there is something else going on that is effecting statistical probability. I have suggested that this unknown factor might be the card clumping that occurs when dealers pick up losing hands early, but the only response I have been able to get is that unless we learn how to count cards, we will continue to lose money. The problem is, that although card counting is fairly easy to learn, there are not many of us who have the ability to put it into effect. It is clear to me that the games are somehow being rigged, I just don' t know how to offset this effect other than to sit out as many hands as necessary, before you get a feel for the shoe returning to a reasonable win/loss ratio.

Rob

Are you really David Pom? zg