Are CSMs going to dominate

[Meshounah]

say in like 4 years... will all casinos be using automatic shufflers?



Thanks

[Sonny]

That's what people were asking 4 years ago. I'm not worried about it. The machines just aren't worth the money. They speed up the game but they can be fairly unreliable. They break down, they jam and they damage the cards. Even when they work they are bad for business. It's a great idea but they have a long way to go before they are a practical device. And even then, it doesn't matter how well they work if nobody wants to play against them.

-Sonny-

[Mimosine]

not if the leases for those things remains at $10k/month (i was told this recently by someone in the industry, but whether it is accurate or not, i don't know).

[Meshounah]

seriously? that means Indian casinos will get hammered!

[jimpenn]

Wheeling Island, W.VA. initially had CSM's when they opened past December. They have since taken them out. Both mechanical and people not playing played a part in departure. Regardless, Wheeling is cutting 2 1/2 to 3 decks from 8D shoes. Mountaineer getting majority of action. By the way, they reported a big loss this quarter today even after considering Table Games which increased total revenue by 11%.

[Meshounah]

good, when i'm old enough to play, I can straight card count

[callipygian]

Originally Posted by Meshounah

will all casinos be using automatic shufflers?

I'm guessing this was a typo, but just in case it wasn't, there are two different machines, a continuous shuffling machine (CSM) and an automatic shuffling machine (ASM).

The CSM is a fully-enclosed black box that usually sits right on the blackjack table. After each hand (or every 2-3 hands), cards are inserted back into the machine and the decks are continuously shuffled.

The ASM is a black box with an open front that usually sits behind the blackjack table. After a shoe is completed, the entire shoe is inserted into the ASM and a shuffled shoe is pulled out.

CSM's are not countable with traditional card counting; ASM's are.

CSM's are rare at high limit tables because high limit players don't like them, and rare at smaller casinos because small casinos can't afford them. ASM's are pretty standard at all tables in all casinos.

Sonny, Mimosine, and jimpenn all responded about CSM's.

[Meshounah]

My bad, I was referring to CSMs in my post, thankyou for the info.

Another question, would a college age kid attract heat off the top by playing $100 games? say your playing in the MGM or some other high profile casino.

[callipygian]

Originally Posted by Meshounah

Another question, would a college age kid attract heat off the top by playing $100 games? say your playing in the MGM or some other high profile casino.

Not more than normal as long as you dress and act the part. Remember that you'll probably be asked for your ID a lot, which will limit your anonymity.

[Meshounah]

I keep seeing references to Indices, what is that?