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August 6th, 2008, 07:29 AM
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any way to lower the house edge of CSM game
I dont need it become profitable
I just want to know all the way to make the house edge become lowered
if they using CSM (continous shuffling machine)
or any book has mention any kind of method for it ??
there is supposed the last game s card will not come out immediately in the next round , if under this assumption , what should we do ??
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August 6th, 2008, 07:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beyondbj
I dont need it become profitable
I just want to know all the way to make the house edge become lowered
if they using CSM (continous shuffling machine)
or any book has mention any kind of method for it ??
there is supposed the last game s card will not come out immediately in the next round , if under this assumption , what should we do ?? 
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For modern day machines, finding a dealer that exposes their hole card is the most reliable way to be it....and that's not reliable. You could lower the house edge slightly by finding out how many decks are in the machine and counting the cards on the table and adjusting play slightly for indexes. If you are certain the cards from your previous hand won't come into the next hand you can carry over that running count and subtract it back out to get a new running count each round...but all this work won't beat the game. You should be complaining to staff that these machines ruin the game and you won't play them.
BW
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August 6th, 2008, 08:13 AM
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if its 6 decks
i play seven hands
the running count is 6+
then the next round i bet the maximum bet on one hand , is it work??
and any skill I can make the dealer bursted rate increasing ??
can i bet a smaller amount at the last one or two hands in order to adjust the bs to make the dealer burst easier ?
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August 6th, 2008, 08:32 AM
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August 6th, 2008, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock Windsor
For modern day machines, finding a dealer that exposes their hole card is the most reliable way to be it....and that's not reliable. You could lower the house edge slightly by finding out how many decks are in the machine and counting the cards on the table and adjusting play slightly for indexes. If you are certain the cards from your previous hand won't come into the next hand you can carry over that running count and subtract it back out to get a new running count each round...but all this work won't beat the game. You should be complaining to staff that these machines ruin the game and you won't play them.
BW
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Hey Brock, I just wondering if they DONT shuffle after each and every round, is this still considered a CSM, or would it just be a ASM, that shuffles frequently?
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August 6th, 2008, 09:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beyondbj
I dont need it become profitable
I just want to know all the way to make the house edge become lowered
if they using CSM (continous shuffling machine)
or any book has mention any kind of method for it ??
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Feeding a load of extra Aces & 10's into the CSM when nobody's looking would give you a huge advantage, properly followed by jail thou.
Seriously, why not just look for a better game?
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August 6th, 2008, 01:25 PM
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Hey Brock, I just wondering if they DONT shuffle after each and every round, is this still considered a CSM, or would it just be a ASM, that shuffles frequently?
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The net effect would be the same as an ASM with very shallow penetration (depending on how many cards they piled before shuffling).
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August 6th, 2008, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock Windsor
The net effect would be the same as an ASM with very shallow penetration (depending on how many cards they piled before shuffling).
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jack jackson: note the "very".
Good penetration on a six deck shoe is 80%, medium 70%, and poor 60%. Most people wouldn't ever consider counting a shoe with less than 50% penetration, and CSM's will have around 10% penetration.
We're not talking "the shallow end of a pool, not deep enough for diving but you could take your kids swimming" shallow, we're talking about "the thin film of water left over when you wipe your ass with a damp towel" shallow.
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August 6th, 2008, 01:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beyondbj
I dont need it become profitable
I just want to know all the way to make the house edge become lowered
if they using CSM (continous shuffling machine)
or any book has mention any kind of method for it ??
there is supposed the last game s card will not come out immediately in the next round , if under this assumption , what should we do ?? 
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