what are the good casino in Washington?

[WABJ11]

I dont wanna spoil any of the REALLY good games, but I can give you a few pointers.

Avoid Muckleshoot at all costs. The clientele are sleazy, the place is scummy, and the rules are the worst in the state. 8 deck H17, no DAS (which is unheard of in WA in a shoe game), no surrender, no rsa, and the penetration is the poorest I've ever seen. Do not waste your time here.

Virtually every card room in WA has decent rules and pen with 6 deck shoes. Just call around and ask how many decks they use. Some places are sweatier than others, but for the most part heat is minimal in these small joints just cause the staff is so inexperienced.

Unless your in a team and need a lot of tables, the Indian casinos are a waste of time.

[overtheedge]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

Virtually every card room in WA has decent rules and pen with 6 deck shoes.

I agree. The only 8D I've seen is Crazy Moose in Mountlake Terrace, but otherwise their rules are good (DAS, LS, RSA) so it's not to penalizing. And the penetration makes up for the extra decks (8D with 1.5 cut off = 81% pen). Unless you're trying to play a black chip units, cardrooms are better than tribal.

All of the WA cardrooms (and tribal) are S17 (per CBJN) so you'd have to travel out of state to find one that isn't, which isn't really worthwhile unless you're a black chipper.

[WABJ11]

Originally Posted by overtheedge

I agree. The only 8D I've seen is Crazy Moose in Mountlake Terrace, but otherwise their rules are good (DAS, LS, RSA) so it's not to penalizing. And the penetration makes up for the extra decks (8D with 1.5 cut off = 81% pen). Unless you're trying to play a black chip units, cardrooms are better than tribal.

All of the WA cardrooms (and tribal) are S17 (per CBJN) so you'd have to travel out of state to find one that isn't, which isn't really worthwhile unless you're a black chipper.

Crazy Moose went to 8 decks?

[overtheedge]

Well its not like I asked them how many they were using, but I've never seen a discard pile go that high before....threw my penetration estimates off at first until I realized that I was dealing with a different number of decks haha.

[WABJ11]

Originally Posted by overtheedge

Well its not like I asked them how many they were using, but I've never seen a discard pile go that high before....threw my penetration estimates off at first until I realized that I was dealing with a different number of decks haha.

Turns out Crazy Moose has gone to 8 decks.

[nicetrades200303]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

Virtually every card room in WA has decent rules and pen with 6 deck shoes.

Unless your in a team and need a lot of tables, the Indian casinos are a waste of time.

Regarding card rooms (non-Indian casinos) in the state of Washington, does the state allow vegas-style casinos off of the reservations? In those card rooms, do people actually play against a house? That is, does the card room act as the house/banker, or does an outside corporation come in and act as the house/banker and pays the card room a drop/collection fee for each hand dealt?

In CA, non-Indian card rooms don't actually act as the house. An outside corporation comes in and acts as the house and pays the card room a drop/collection fee for each hand dealt.

Thanks.

[arrando]

Originally Posted by nicetrades200303

Regarding card rooms (non-Indian casinos) in the state of Washington, does the state allow vegas-style casinos off of the reservations? In those card rooms, do people actually play against a house? That is, does the card room act as the house/banker, or does an outside corporation come in and act as the house/banker and pays the card room a drop/collection fee for each hand dealt?

In CA, non-Indian card rooms don't actually act as the house. An outside corporation comes in and acts as the house and pays the card room a drop/collection fee for each hand dealt.

Thanks.

Going off CBJN and the fact that AP's play in these cardrooms, it is vegas style blackjack with no collection fee. No smoking in all of these casinos is also a BIG plus. No more dizziness and next day fatigue. I've been wanting to go to some of these casinos in washington but the expenses getting there would require a good number of hours of play to break even.

[cityman]

Originally Posted by overtheedge

All of the WA cardrooms (and tribal) are S17 (per CBJN) so you'd have to travel out of state to find one that isn't, which isn't really worthwhile unless you're a black chipper.

I think you mean H17 - dealer always HITS on soft 17. I haven't seen a single stay on soft 17 in WA.

[WABJ11]

Originally Posted by cityman

I think you mean H17 - dealer always HITS on soft 17. I haven't seen a single stay on soft 17 in WA.

Yes all tables in WA are H17. I've never seen a S17 table.

[cityman]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

Avoid Muckleshoot at all costs. The clientele are sleazy, the place is scummy, and the rules are the worst in the state. 8 deck H17, no DAS (which is unheard of in WA in a shoe game), no surrender, no rsa, and the penetration is the poorest I've ever seen. Do not waste your time here.

Same goes for Emerald Queen...same crappy rules, same crappy conditions