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Old May 19th, 2011, 05:41 PM
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You must learn to unlearn. - Yoda

Meditate on this you must.

Hey, mgmt stupid enough to build a casino on a river, might just be stupid enough to hire a stupid crew, who hires stupid dealers, or set in policies that retain bad dealers. Opportunity! Eh they can also be stupid enough to put in bad BJ rules unfortunately.

Now, would I fly 1000 miles across the country because of this. No. If this flooded casino was equidistant from another one, and had the exact same conditions, then maybe I tend to favor going to the unlucky casino.

Its not the worst idea when a ploppy prefer to go on a hot slot machine, maybe there's something up with that machine, who knows.

When I'm getting "lucky" sometimes a superstitous ploppy wants to play on top of me (I don't allow because its too much hassle). But "lucky" ploppy, he would have reduced his EV from a typical -2% to about -0.5%.
If casinos are so stupid, why don't they give us the advantage? It would sure beat counting!
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Old May 19th, 2011, 05:44 PM
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Nice try. You would need to entangle your chips with the shoe for a positive correlation of your betsize and count.
Then you would bet a quantum amount of your chippool - always the same unseen "grab". The dealer pays you (and that is the tricky part) with the same quantum amount (without knowing how much it is).

Neither you nor the dealer nor the pit boss will know how much you had bet or won. Only when you do the single measurement at the cage, you will see whether you won or lost your session. Great cover !
Then you think it will work!? What are we waiting for?
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Old May 19th, 2011, 06:32 PM
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Nice try. You would need to entangle your chips with the shoe for a positive correlation of your betsize and count.
We now have a process for that.
Also recommend quantum entanglement between an AP and his chips and/or BR.

See -
Can’t Hack Marriage? Try Quantum Entanglement Instead
Given entanglement’s seemingly limitless possibility, Keats is prepared to quantum-marry more than just humans, for those who want to wed their shiny new iPads or whatever else commands their hearts and minds.

“I’m now undertaking experiments entangling champagne,” Keats said, “which people will be able to drink, absorbing the entangled bubbles to become entangled in their own right.”
Also, we can quantum entangle across time -
Quantum Entanglement Could Stretch Across Time
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Old May 19th, 2011, 08:21 PM
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We now have a process for that.
Also recommend quantum entanglement between an AP and his chips and/or BR.

See -
Can’t Hack Marriage? Try Quantum Entanglement Instead
Given entanglement’s seemingly limitless possibility, Keats is prepared to quantum-marry more than just humans, for those who want to wed their shiny new iPads or whatever else commands their hearts and minds.

“I’m now undertaking experiments entangling champagne,” Keats said, “which people will be able to drink, absorbing the entangled bubbles to become entangled in their own right.”
Also, we can quantum entangle across time -
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Quantum Entanglement Could Stretch Across Time
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If my Wife thought I was mixed up in some kind of entanglement, she'd kill me!
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If casinos are so stupid, why don't they give us the advantage? It would sure beat counting!
Sure they do. Full pay VP and ES back in the day come to mind

OK stupid is too strong a word, maybe not super smart is better.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 09:06 PM
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A rose by any other name smells the same.
Was my thought at first, but luck carries different meaning than standard deviation, or variance because it entails value either good or bad. I get what your saying though.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 09:57 PM
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Yeah, we better watch out for these crazy mystical people such as Dr. Wolf, Niels Bohr, and Wolfgang Pauli and their youtube video understanding of QM!
Have you ever seen "What the Bleep!?" I feel as though this movie is an example of what I'm talking about. Analogies are helpful in explaining certain fundamental principles of nature; however suggesting that these fundamental principles actually influence phenomenon such as cards being dealt or balls falling on black or red is disingenuous at best (assuming you understand whats actually going on). Wave function collapse does not mean I can be in two places at once, nor does it suggest a dealer will simultaneous give me a 10, two 10's, and no 10's. (just read the article before I edited, coincidentally I used the same example as the paper you linked) Besides as wikipedia will tell you wave function collapse is not exactly a fully understood phenomenon, nor do scientists agree that it actually occurs as some in the community would suggest. The idea that our observation with an outcome in mind will shape the outcome in the desired fashion is not science. What is your definition of luck?

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Was my thought at first, but luck carries different meaning than standard deviation, or variance because it entails value either good or bad.
But it doesn't, though. zg
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Old May 19th, 2011, 10:10 PM
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But it doesn't, though. zg
Well sir! We are faced with an insolvable argument from definition. Seriously I have no qualms about math, but with an evaluation of "luck" as defined by the original post, we are not talking about the same thing. You are talking about math and I'm talking about subjective value imposed on mathematics.

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Old May 19th, 2011, 10:24 PM
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Have you ever seen "What the Bleep!?" I feel as though this movie is an example of what I'm talking about. Analogies are helpful in explaining certain fundamental principles of nature; however suggesting that these fundamental principles actually influence phenomenon such as cards being dealt or balls falling on black or red is disingenuous at best (assuming you understand whats actually going on). Wave function collapse does not mean I can be in two places at once, nor does it suggest a dealer will simultaneous give me a 10, two 10's, and no 10's. What is your definition of luck?
Haven't seen it but understand your position and worldview, but don't necessarily agree its correct.

Pauli was known for the "Pauli effect", whereby as he was a theoretical physicist, whenever he was anywhere near a device used by physicists, it was known to mysteriously break. Pauli was a big believer in this effect and was delighted whenever it occurred. He was also a big believer in synchronicity, parapsychology, etc., surely more "mystical" non-sense.

Bohr was also flat out mystical, to get an understanding on his thinking, here is some quotes:

"A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself"
"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real"
"It is wrong to think that the task of physics is to find out how Nature is. Physics concerns what we say about Nature"

(Now did he make huge contributions to QM because he had this kind of mentality, or did he develop this mentality because of QM is an interesting question)

You used the words "imagination" and "reality", in a derogatory way against "imagination". I pointed out the poem by Stevens, as its an interesting meditation on the nature of the relationship of he would call "imagination" (what we might call mind or perception of reality) and "reality". Not so easy to untangle where one ends and one begins.

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