Progression system on electronic BJ Machines

[mikeinjersey]

I had to sign up here mostly because its the only intellectual discussion i've seen out there regarding the Shuffle Master 'Royal Match'.

I must say over years of testing this out and going back and forth between Atlantic City , this electronic version is the biggest scam ever. Its also very bad for noobies that have never played blackjack before. As the horrible odds on this electronic version will persuade them from ever playing real blackjack.

I've lost thousands on the electronic version, and Won everytime at the real table games in atlantic city playing with the same method

I say 'Won everytime' because that is the truth. Everytime only means 8 times over the last 2 years in atlantic city though.

The biggest difference there is between the electronic version and the real table games is THIS -

You NEVER lose so many hands in a row at real table games compared to the electronic ones.

At the electronic ones, you could lose 10 to 12 hands in a row EASILY ! Almost every single time I go there I lose 10 to 12 hands in a row sometime within a 2 to 3 hour period. Its almost like they have it programmed like that so that people that use negative progression techniques have no chance in h*ll at winning.

Now to real table games...Atlantic city / Las Vegas / whatever.... I have sat at the same blackjack table for 12 hours straight on several occasions and NEVER lost more then 8 hands in a row. In fact the entire 8 times i've been down there over the last 2 years, i've NEVER lost more then 8 hands in a row. Could it happen ? Yes. but rarely if you play with your head and dont get excited and start betting stupidly.

Basically i've broke even from all i lost to these ridiculous electronic versions...compared to the real table games. I live 5 minutes away from a casino here in PA. (unfortunately were not allowed to have table games here in PA.....yet) Thats why I go to atlantic city..

Basically my system is negative progression with more security I guess you could say.

Whenever I win a hand , I ALWAYS bet minimum after.

Whenever I lose a hand I use the following -

(1) minimum bet .....if I lose again...
(1) minimum bet......if I lose again...
(1) minimum bet......if I lose again...
(2) double minumum bet....if I lose again...
(4) if I lose again.......
(8) if I lose again.......
(16) if I lose again......
(32) if I lose again.....
(50) if I lose again.......im fokked.

I used the above as an example for a $10 table where (1) would be a $10 and (50) would be $500

The only way you would lose all your money is if you lost 9 hands in a row. Its never happened yet. If your at a $10 table, you have to start with $1000 so that you can cover. Most people dont do it because their scared and think they'll lose all their money. Which is why most people lose....because they only start with a few hundred dollars.

The most important thing with this system is you CANT get excited and start betting higher when you start winning more often...the urge is hard to fight sometimes, but be a robot and you'll be alright.

This russian chick I was at the high roller tables with the last time...she was the first person I ever played with that played exactly like me. And she also won big that night...and claimed she wins all the time. The only difference between me and her is she used one more step of caution then I did. She would bet minimum 4 times in a row before doubling...as I only do it 3 times. Her way is more cautious but also takes a little more time to pile in the doe.

Its not something you can just hop in your car and do everyday though...its torture mentally.

Just stay away from those electronic versions... I learned the hard way.

[shadroch]

With all due respect,on the one hand you are bashing the electronic machines and on the other you are advocating the single most destructive betting system ever invented.
Since you were able to find this thread,you should be able to find plenty on your betting pattern,better known as The Martingale. It is a hopeless system that will destroy your bankroll if you give it the chance.
There is no room for debate on this,google it or search the archives here.

[mikeinjersey]

Originally Posted by shadroch

With all due respect,on the one hand you are bashing the electronic machines and on the other you are advocating the single most destructive betting system ever invented.
Since you were able to find this thread,you should be able to find plenty on your betting pattern,better known as The Martingale. It is a hopeless system that will destroy your bankroll if you give it the chance.
There is no room for debate on this,google it or search the archives here.

Its a more cautious version of 'The Martingale' .

Like I said I have done this for years and never ran into an issue. Anybody that doubts it is just scared to try it themselves. Of course theres odds that say you could lose more then 8 or 9 hands in a row. But its very rare and you'd have to be very stupid to lose that much. Like I said, most people are just scared to start out with that much $$ initially. If I lose 8 or 9 hands in a row next time, its no big deal because I know from experience that its very rare to occur. So that atleast 80% of the time I use the technique I know I will win.

Anybody that plays otherwise is stupid in my opinion since the Dealer always has atleast a 1% advantage.

[shadroch]

Mike,
You really need to study the game a bit before you start calling people stupid.
First off,in very few real BJ games does "the dealer always has at least a 1% advantage."
Secondly,it is not that unusual to lose eight hands in a row. It should happen every ten hours or so.Any BJ player worth his salt has had many ten hand losing streaks.
What do you do when it comes to splitting or doubling down?
Why would you have to any stupider to lose eight hands than five?
You have a lot to learn about this game. You've come to the right place,now you just have to let go of your superstitions and learn from some of the top experts in the field. By the way- I certainly don't put myself in that grouping. I come here to learn.

[mikeinjersey]

Originally Posted by shadroch

Mike,
You really need to study the game a bit before you start calling people stupid.

sorry pal, but i've done my studying for years. Probably years before you.

First off,in very few real BJ games does "the dealer always has at least a 1% advantage."

I dont know what planet you've been taught on , but even the experts will tell they dealer has atleast a 1% advantage...even when you've memorized the basic strategy guide by heart.

Secondly,it is not that unusual to lose eight hands in a row. It should happen every ten hours or so.Any BJ player worth his salt has had many ten hand losing streaks.

It happens a lot less then you think. If you actually tried it yourself..instead of hearing what others say. Go to a high roller table, start with $8000.. and use the same strategy. ($100 minimum bet) after just 2 hours you will have won $2000 to $3000 easy... then leave and enjoy your winnings.

What do you do when it comes to splitting or doubling down?

The same as anyone else. I use basic strategy memorized with negative progression.

Why would you have to any stupider to lose eight hands than five?
You have a lot to learn about this game. You've come to the right place,now you just have to let go of your superstitions and learn from some of the top experts in the field. By the way- I certainly don't put myself in that grouping. I come here to learn.

Losing 5 hands in a row usually happens once every hour or 2. Losing 6 hands in a row typically occurs once every 4 hours. Losing 8 to 9 hands in a row you can typically go 10 hours or longer before that happens. And like I said it never happened to me. Several occasions I would be at the same table for 12 hours straight. Could it happen ? of course... Will it happen eventually to me ? Im sure it will. But the FREQUENCY of it occuring is very low. Which means you WILL win and get out of there with your money more times....then the times you lose. Trust me , the pit bosses hate players like myself. Everytime I go there, they have a look of anger on their face... which pleases me.

You call my technique superstition when in the next sentence you say you've come here to learn. Im not trying to force anything on anyone..and im not here to promote anything. I just know what works...its the ones that havent tried it or are scared to try it that act negatively.

Most 'mainstream' people that play blackjack bet stupidly all the time... I see each one sit down at the table and eventually leave in frustration because of their foolish betting.

Seems like people just like to argue here... I'll be on my merry way... Have fun

[zengrifter]

And the BJINFO Ploppy of the Day Award goes to...

Originally Posted by mikeinjersey

1. sorry pal, but i've done my studying for years. Probably years before you.

2. I dont know what planet you've been taught on , but even the experts will tell they dealer has atleast a 1% advantage...even when you've memorized the basic strategy guide by heart.

3. It happens a lot less then you think. If you actually tried it yourself..instead of hearing what others say. Go to a high roller table, start with $8000.. and use the same strategy. ($100 minimum bet) after just 2 hours you will have won $2000 to $3000 easy... then leave and enjoy your winnings.

4. You call my technique superstition when in the next sentence you say you've come here to learn. Im not trying to force anything on anyone..and im not here to promote anything. I just know what works...its the ones that havent tried it or are scared to try it that act negatively.

5. Seems like people just like to argue here... I'll be on my merry way... Have fun

Atta boy, Mike! zg

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