Current Vegas Double Deck - Green Chip
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Support the authors of our game who have taught us so much. Purchase a copy of CBJN from wong's site for 12 bucks (maybe 15?).
In addition to being very accurate in terms of rule changes in vegas, it gives fairly accurate pen estimates as well (though that is often a guarded secret!).
The standard recommendations are TI and mirage and nyny because of S17, but you can do better in terms of DD games out there.
Bottom line, cbjn is a good investment even for one trip.
In addition to being very accurate in terms of rule changes in vegas, it gives fairly accurate pen estimates as well (though that is often a guarded secret!).
The standard recommendations are TI and mirage and nyny because of S17, but you can do better in terms of DD games out there.
Bottom line, cbjn is a good investment even for one trip.
CBJN - Accuracy
Bought it for my last trip - was certainly worth the price. I did find that some of the info was dated, even though I had the most recent issue. When you only have a few days to play it's a shame to waste time going to the wrong places.
I find it a bit frustrating that it is so difficult to get current information. I plan to purchase it again for this trip, but I would still appreciate any recent info.
Last time I played Sun Coast, Bellagio, plus a few low stakes games downtown (Plaza, Vegas, EL). Any changes at these places?
Tip: If you have a GPS you can save casino name along with it's rating. Example: Bellagio - 91, Suncoast 89, etc
This way when you're driving around in Vegas your favorites will list the closest games and their ratings. This worked nicely last time.
-Buzzer
Bought it for my last trip - was certainly worth the price. I did find that some of the info was dated, even though I had the most recent issue. When you only have a few days to play it's a shame to waste time going to the wrong places.
I find it a bit frustrating that it is so difficult to get current information. I plan to purchase it again for this trip, but I would still appreciate any recent info.
Last time I played Sun Coast, Bellagio, plus a few low stakes games downtown (Plaza, Vegas, EL). Any changes at these places?
Tip: If you have a GPS you can save casino name along with it's rating. Example: Bellagio - 91, Suncoast 89, etc
This way when you're driving around in Vegas your favorites will list the closest games and their ratings. This worked nicely last time.
-Buzzer
Mimosine
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personally i use CBJN to find good rules, and that is it.
Once I show up to a joint I'm interested in; I first confirm if the rules are correct, and second check pen.
If the rules are crap (e.g. DD, H17, nDAS, D10; 6D H17, nLS; etc.), then what is the point if it says 80% pen?
Once I show up to a joint I'm interested in; I first confirm if the rules are correct, and second check pen.
If the rules are crap (e.g. DD, H17, nDAS, D10; 6D H17, nLS; etc.), then what is the point if it says 80% pen?
FLASH1296
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Mimosine,
You said " ... what is the point if it says 80% pen?"
A game with really good pen' and BAD rules is almost always preferable to a game with very good rules but BAD pen'.
Really, this is a crucial canon of Card Counting, that has been repeatedly proven by massive BJ simulations with appropriate software.
It is a subject well-covered in "Blackjack Attack", 3rd ed.
You said " ... what is the point if it says 80% pen?"
A game with really good pen' and BAD rules is almost always preferable to a game with very good rules but BAD pen'.
Really, this is a crucial canon of Card Counting, that has been repeatedly proven by massive BJ simulations with appropriate software.
It is a subject well-covered in "Blackjack Attack", 3rd ed.
Mimosine
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no need to be such a tart. i stand by what i said. i've read the books you have and simmed the games you have and a game with a HE of > 0.7 is all but unplayable, requiring huger than life spreads even for double deck.
a game with bad rules is NEVER preferable.
Depends how bad.
I posed a question a few weeks ago about which is better, an AC game (8D, etc) with H17 heads up or with one player vs. a full table w/S17. H17 won, based on the greater rate of play.
FLASH1296
Well-Known Member
What does this mean? I assume that it is a British idiom. " ... no need to be such a tart."
If you have simulated the game then try this and report the results here, whatever they may be.
I predict that you will find that the "Scores" or "Desirability Indices" will be supportive of my contention, with the results rank-ordered as follows:
If you have simulated the game then try this and report the results here, whatever they may be.
- Sim A. 2 decks deal 85% H17 NDAS D10,11 Spread 8-1
- Sim B. Same as Sim A - but dealt 50%
- Sim C. 2 decks deal 85% S17 DAS DA2 Spread 8-1
- Sim D. Same as Sim C - but dealt 50%
I predict that you will find that the "Scores" or "Desirability Indices" will be supportive of my contention, with the results rank-ordered as follows:
- C ..... (excellent)
- A ..... (very good)
- D ..... (marginal)
- B ..... (poor)