Best seat in 1D

[Warlord]

In playing Single deck (DO, NO DAS,H17) with dealer & 2 other players.

If I cannot see the other players cards, is it better to sit at 1'st base?

It seems whenever I sit at 3'rd and cannot see first base or the next guy, the count I have is more applicable to 1'st base than to me on 3'rd, since it changes by the time it gets to me on 3'rd.

If I can however see the other players cards while at 3'rd, it seems to help in making a playing decision. However it seems to me that for betting purposes, 3'rd base is still at a disadvantage because I am making my bet based on a count that could go the other way by the time I am dealt my 2'd card on 3'rd.

Would it be better to sit in the middle so I can catch a glimpse of 1st and 3rd's cards?

Thanks for any input.

W

[EasyRhino]

Excluding concerns about sitting in a sterotypical "counter seat", you want to see as many cards as possible so you can adjust your play toa better index This is often possible from 3rd base. You might also have a good opportunity to snoop on your neighbors' hands if in the middle.

If you can't see ANY cards, any time, then it doesn't matter where you sit.

[Warlord]

Originally Posted by EasyRhino

Excluding concerns about sitting in a sterotypical "counter seat", you want to see as many cards as possible so you can adjust your play toa better index This is often possible from 3rd base. You might also have a good opportunity to snoop on your neighbors' hands if in the middle.

If you can't see ANY cards, any time, then it doesn't matter where you sit.

I think sitting center is best if it helps see the other cards, and like you mentioned, sitting at (blatantly) 3rd while varying bets etc. all adds up to looking like a Counter, and usually I cannot see player 1 and 2's cards sitting here anyway so sitting in the center when you could sit at 3rd seems like good camo when the the PB is watching. (or a preferentially shuffling dealer)

I think my strategy is to sit center and if a second player sits to my left then there are to many players (including dealer=5) and I should leave.


Thanks for the reply

[SleightOfHand]

Originally Posted by Warlord

It seems whenever I sit at 3'rd and cannot see first base or the next guy, the count I have is more applicable to 1'st base than to me on 3'rd, since it changes by the time it gets to me on 3'rd.

If I can however see the other players cards while at 3'rd, it seems to help in making a playing decision. However it seems to me that for betting purposes, 3'rd base is still at a disadvantage because I am making my bet based on a count that could go the other way by the time I am dealt my 2'd card on 3'rd.

Something sounds wrong about this reasoning... While the count is "more applicable" (I think you mean that it correlates better with your betting?), your bet is already on the table by the point where you want to look at the other player's cards. The time when you placed your bet and when it is time to make a playing decision is not the same. When you placed your bet, you (assumingly) made the optimal bet for that time. So when it is time to make a playing decision, you want all the info you can (at 3rd base). Disregarding camo and seeing other player's cards 3rd base is the best place to go.

The average hand is composed of 2.7 cards (BJA). So sitting at 3rd base with 2 others would give you 1.4 extra cards before making a playing decision. So if you can see 1 other player's cards, you are gonna be making better playing decisions if you can peek from a location other than 3rd. Therefore, if you can peek, go where you can peek. If not, 3rd (once again, disregarding camo).

I may be wrong, but thats what I think.

[SD Padres]

Originally Posted by Warlord

In playing Single deck (DO, NO DAS,H17) with dealer & 2 other players.

If I cannot see the other players cards, is it better to sit at 1'st base?

It seems whenever I sit at 3'rd and cannot see first base or the next guy, the count I have is more applicable to 1'st base than to me on 3'rd, since it changes by the time it gets to me on 3'rd.

If I can however see the other players cards while at 3'rd, it seems to help in making a playing decision. However it seems to me that for betting purposes, 3'rd base is still at a disadvantage because I am making my bet based on a count that could go the other way by the time I am dealt my 2'd card on 3'rd.

Would it be better to sit in the middle so I can catch a glimpse of 1st and 3rd's cards?

Thanks for any input.

W

I've always felt sitting in the middle worked best for me.

[EasyRhino]

In terms of looking like a counter, the one annoying facet of sitting in the middle is "wimbledon effect" where you're constantly moving your view from side to side.

[Warlord]

Originally Posted by EasyRhino

In terms of looking like a counter, the one annoying facet of sitting in the middle is "wimbledon effect" where you're constantly moving your view from side to side.

I think if played upon right (rubbernecking) it can help your camo.

I try to talk to all the players and take part in what they are doing. I think the fact that I am talking with others is good camo so if I am getting the table to be more gregarious as a group I think it helps my quest to see their cards etc.

I also let my cards be seen easily in hopes that others will follow suit without having to look to interested. Some people hide their cards like they are playing poker. I try to point out to people that it is not poker. or if they are contemplating a move, I usually guess what they have in hopes they just tell me.

Now if you are quiet and not talking , then the rubbernecking along with your introvertedness most likely will be a red flag to any watching PB's.
IMO

[nc-tom]

Originally Posted by Warlord

I think if played upon right (rubbernecking) it can help your camo.

I try to talk to all the players and take part in what they are doing. I think the fact that I am talking with others is good camo so if I am getting the table to be more gregarious as a group I think it helps my quest to see their cards etc.

I also let my cards be seen easily in hopes that others will follow suit without having to look to interested. Some people hide their cards like they are playing poker. I try to point out to people that it is not poker. or if they are contemplating a move, I usually guess what they have in hopes they just tell me.

Now if you are quiet and not talking , then the rubbernecking along with your introvertedness most likely will be a red flag to any watching PB's.
IMO

One thing helpful i have found to make the rubbernecking less noticiable to the PB is to find SD games where they offer RM or LL side bets. People will be more likely to be showing there cards to the dealer or friends which allows you to pick up more information. . I do prefer to sit at the 3 seat for SD games if I can.

[Warlord]

Originally Posted by nc-tom

One thing helpful i have found to make the rubbernecking less noticiable to the PB is to find SD games where they offer RM or LL side bets. People will be more likely to be showing there cards to the dealer or friends which allows you to pick up more information. . I do prefer to sit at the 3 seat for SD games if I can.

I cannot believe how many play the royal match. It works great for getting the look on the others cards. Even if someone is not playing it u can say did you get the match? if they did u say "oh u should have bet it" ...but I never get it so I do not bet it.

3rd base is definitely preferred as long as it is not obvious that I am seeking it out.