Wynn BJ rules

[schetam]

Below are BJ rules in Wynn Macau -

- 4 decks.
- Dealer stands on soft 17.
- Player may double on any first two cards.
- Dealer does not take a hole card. If dealer has blackjack player will lose only original wager. Additional wagers made due to double or splitting will be returned.
- Double after a split allowed.
- Player may surrender on any initial two cards, except against a dealer ace. This is equivalent to "early surrender" against a 10, because the player may invoke it before the dealer checks for blackjack.
- Resplitting aces allowed.
- All Macau casinos use CSM

Question I have are:

1) Should I split my Aces against a dealer's Ace? (Since I can replit Aces and I only lose my orignal wager)
2) Should I hit on Hard 17 against a dealer's Ace? (Since there is no hole card plus no surrender on Ace, so I am up against potential BJ)

I usually buy out other players' BJ even money, and I double down on other players' bet if they do not dare, that gives me a little more edge

[SystemsTrader]

1. Yes you should still split aces because the dealer takes original bets only.
2. You should stand on a hard 17 vs a dealer ace because the dealer stands on soft 17. If the dealer hit soft 17 then yes you would surrender.

Other then the CSM's, this is a game with incredible rules. It might be one of the best games on the planet. The house edge is a puny .05%, that is almost a break even game. Does the dealer always put the cards back into the CSM's after every round, because if they don't you will get the occasional +1 or even a +2 count if the table is full. It's a very good idea to buy other peoples hands when possible. If you don't have a copy then pick up BlackJack Attack and learn which hands are possitive EV for you to try and get off of other players for doubles and splits. I think Blackjack Bluebook also covers that topic but I'm not sure as I've never read it.

Sonny you should move this post to the Asia section.

[schetam]

Thanks systemtrader - referring to your answer to my question #2, do you mean "hit" instead of "surrender"? Surrender is not an option Vs Ace

Dealer puts back all cards to CSM after each round, for a full table of eight players, one around is roughly 26 cards or half deck, meaning remaining decks in CSM is 3 and half decks. I also realized there are probably 10~20 cards already beneath the dispenser ready for next round. The 26 cards in previous round will not reappear in this round and from my observations, the highest hi-lo count for each round I have observed is +7 (TC = 2?), should I then raise my bet in this immediate next round? By how many units? And how much should I be betting if hi-lo count is only +3~4?

[SystemsTrader]

For question #2 you would stand on your hard 17 v A. Here are the EVs you are screwed either way:
T,7 v A stand -0.475431 hit -0.556924
9,8 v A stand -0.471769 hit -0.554120

If you know for sure that the last cards the dealer inserts into the CSM will not be used in the current round then you definitely have a beatable game with counting. It will just be like playing a game with real lousy pen but with such a low house edge because of great rules you won't need much to turn your game positive. Always try to play the game with a full table, that way you will get better pen and make sure you learn all the indexes especially from -2 to +2 true count. Against 4 decks it won't take much for a running count to turn positive, if you get a running count of 10 and those cards don't come out the next round then your true count is +2.8 so raise your bet but by how much depends on your bankroll.

[schetam]

I am confused with below, should I surrender 8+8 Vs T which I will lose 50% or should I split 8+8 Vs T which I will only lose 48.3%? I am playing under Macau Wynn rules. Thanks a lot for you help


http://web.archive.org/web/200406041...Everything.htm

II.3 The Importance of Basic Strategy

Here is another example from actual play. Kevin, a card counter I know, complained about having a big bet out and then being dealt 8-8 when the dealer was showing a T. "I’m just going to lose twice as much when I split!" He did split, and he did lose twice as much. What was wrong with his thinking? As he argued, splitting 8-8 against a dealer face card is stupid, if he hadn’t split he would have only lost one bet instead of two. He said that any reasonable person can see that most of the time you will just lose twice as much, since your going to lose anyway. The key is Kevin’s "most of the time" clause. Because sometimes you when you split your 8-8 against the dealer T the dealer will turn over a 6 and bust, and you will win twice as much. And sometimes you will draw one of the split hands to a 17 and the other to a 20, and the dealer will turn over a 9 and you will get a strange sort of push.

Let’s go into the "blackjack zone" with Kevin. Suppose Kevin has both an evil twin and a good twin (I guess Kevin is a triplet). In this case, Kevin, his evil twin, and his good twin were each dealt 10,000 consecutive 8-8 vs T, and each bet $10. Kevin always split, his evil twin always hit, and his good twin always stood. At the end of 10,000 hands the universes collided and they all compared results.

Kevin lost $48,300. That’s bad news, and shows just why Kevin hates this situation. Kevin lost a lot of money by splitting! But his evil twin has done even worse. Indeed, his evil twin lost $53,500. Thus, the decision to split instead of hit is worth about $5,200 over 10,000 hands, or about 52 cents per hand. The good twin then materialized, and the other two looked to him for hope. Sadly, he fared worst of all, losing $53,700.

[MacauData]

Wynn Macau has changed to 6 decks half year ago and beware there are some casinos there use Playtech Peek (i.e. dealer take split but not double).

Data

[jnrwilliam]

6d instead of 4d since summer, 2008.