Conversion from HiLo to Zen

[SleightOfHand]

Reading advice in the various books I've read about HiLo, I was wondering what kind of conversions I would need to keep track of? Example: Optimal leaving point when wonging was about -1 in HiLo. Since Zen is a level 2 count, I would think that said point is around -1.5 to -2. Any other little things like that I should be aware of?

[jaredmt]

when were these books published? cus if I understand my own research correctly, the casino rules are getting tougher. I have been told to leave at anything less than 0 or even +1. I guess it depends on the size of your br, what your bet spread is like, and how much you're willing to risk.

I wouldnt base any of these decisions on the level of the count though. I would consider more specific things like Betting Correlation, Playing Efficiency and other ratings. you can find a comparison here:
http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

if I understand correctly, good PE is more advantageous in small deck games (which is what Zen is mostly designed for) and good BC is more advantageous in larger deck games.

[callipygian]

Originally Posted by SleightOfHand

Optimal leaving point when wonging was about -1 in HiLo.

Based on what criteria?

[jaredmt]

wait, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of learning Zen?

If you learn a more advanced count, it is so you can gain even more of an edge. If you play at TC lower than you did with hi-lo then you are just killing your edge just so you can play a few more hands... I dont see the purpose in that.

[SleightOfHand]

Originally Posted by callipygian

Based on what criteria?

It was in Shlesinger's BJA. It had graphs for I think most of the different deck amounts and general rules. General consensus was early in the deck had an optimal leaving point at like -0.5 while going further in the deck allowed lower leaving points.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by jaredmt

when were these books published? cus if I understand my own research correctly, the casino rules are getting tougher. I have been told to leave at anything less than 0 or even +1. I guess it depends on the size of your br, what your bet spread is like, and how much you're willing to risk.

How late in the shoe it is. zg