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October 26th, 2008, 05:15 AM
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Advantage vs the house when using Ill. 18 and Fab. 4
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what % advantage a CC gets just from using the Ill. 18 and Fab. 4 assuming a 6 deck, S17, DOA, no LS game with 75% penetration. I'm guessing it's about .4%
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October 26th, 2008, 07:27 AM
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what % advantage a CC gets just from using the Ill. 18 and Fab. 4 assuming a 6 deck, S17, DOA, no LS game with 75% penetration. I'm guessing it's about .4%
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Depends on how much you spread and whether you play all or wong in/out.
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October 26th, 2008, 10:36 AM
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Assume you play all and assume flat betting.
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October 26th, 2008, 11:28 AM
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Quote:
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Assume you play all and assume flat betting.
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what good would fab4 be with no ls?
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October 26th, 2008, 11:36 AM
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Duh, sorry it was pretty late last night or umm early morning when I wrote that. Assume ill. 18 only lol
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October 26th, 2008, 12:21 PM
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Duh, sorry it was pretty late last night or umm early morning when I wrote that. Assume ill. 18 only lol
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well if i set these up right you can see a differance. top one uses i18, bottom one just basic.
just the house edge seems a bit high compared to this:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php
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that's my take on it your mileage may vary.
for senior citizen fuzzy count click link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrTiP4ZIUfI
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October 26th, 2008, 04:29 PM
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Yeah the house edge does seem quite high. It should be around -.43% for BS. But I'll just take the difference between the two numbers. Thanks.
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October 27th, 2008, 11:40 AM
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Quote:
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Assume you play all and assume flat betting.
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You will never have an advantage, although you might shave a few hundredths off of the base EV.
The problem is that the I18 isn't very valuable if you don't ramp your bets - as a matter of fact, if you don't scale your bets and play all, the I18 changes dramatically - hard 12 vs. dealer 6 is now worth more than doubling hard 9 vs. 2, for instance.
The Illustrious 18 adds a significant win rate to card counting, but it doesn't work as a standalone strategy.
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October 27th, 2008, 09:38 PM
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There is no playing strategy that will give you an edge over the house (for shoe games) when using a flat bet strategy. For Hi-Lo full indexes the EV gain is about 0.12% increase from BS.
Your advantage comes from spreading out your bets according to the true count.
Last edited by iCountNTrack; October 27th, 2008 at 09:44 PM.
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