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October 29th, 2008, 02:33 PM
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I Know Joe the Plumber
Our local 'JOE THE PLUMBER' charges $55 bucks per hour, three times what I made as a nurse in intensive care! That includes his travel time to and from his house 30 minutes away.
In spite of my telling him exactly what the problem is he will fiddle around for 20 minutes scratching his head (and other places) and finally come to the conclusion that what I had told him was correct as though he deduced it himself, forgetting that I had told him exactly what the problem was, not only on the phone but when he first arrived.
Then he has to go back out to his truck at least 6 to 8 times or more for some tool like he was so new at the job he didn't know what tools he would need on the first trip out.
On his way to and from my door he will make a concerted effort to step in any and every mud puddle and/or dog poop anywhere in the area and grind it into my carpet on his way to the laundry or bathroom.
If he breaks something it is my responsibility to pay for the new replacement part and Joe's travel time to go get it. He will then fiddle around like he is in a slow motion video and when finally finished, whatever room he has been working in will be a muddy mess with gouges in my linoleum and a few more on the walls.
Joe is so lacking in conscience that he makes no apology or even the slightest effort to clean up the mess even with the huge pile of rags which I have supplied to him since he forgot to bring any. None of the rags can be washed and used again because he got glue and other sticky stuff on them that could damage my washer and dryer.
Then to add insult to injury and with a straight face he will 'round off' his time spent on the job, giving himself an extra half hour in the 'rounding'. IE; Arrived at 9:15, left at 10:45 to Joe the Plumber is two full hours! Plus an hour travel time to and from my house! He makes out my bill on a plain piece of paper (not a business statement) and doesn't show a shred of guilt as he hands it to me, knowing full well that I will be cleaning up the messes he has made for the next hour and a half.
I hand him a check and he asks if I have cash and when I tell him not that much he says next time to get it before I call him so he won't have to pay taxes on it!
Do I know JOE THE PLUMBER, boy do I!
I also know his blood brothers MIKE THE MECHANIC and EDDY THE ELECTRICIAN and his half-wit brother-uncle CLAUDE THE CONTRACTOR who works under his wife's license since he is too stupid to pass the test and his memory is about as long as his appendage!
DO I KNOW JOE THE PLUMBER? YOU BETCHA!
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October 29th, 2008, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cardcounter0
Our local 'JOE THE PLUMBER' charges $55 bucks per hour, three times what I made as a nurse in intensive care!
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At $55/hr, a full 2000-hour work year would come out to $110,000.
He could charge double that and still not be affected by an Obama tax hike.
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October 29th, 2008, 11:04 PM
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I'm joe and eddy and claude
Maybe if you had'nt chosen the ad in the phone book that read "I B fixin yo pipes, cause I in da bidniss for 142 days" and instead chosen the ad that said "Family owned and operated for over 25 years by licensed profesionals" you would have had better success. Sounds like plumber A promised you new parts and pieces, "Telling you that if you changed this and changed that, your pipes would be better for all to flush what little they had left down the toilet so that it would spread through the sewer system for all to share.
Now Plumber B has a different approach. He says "Why don't we fiddle with this and tweak on that of your existing pipes, that way you don't have to buy a whole new system, but replace a few bad pieces. For one, it takes fewer trips to my van, and I won't make a big mess.
Oh ya, It will be cheap and quiker too.I won't have to overcharge my next customer to make up for all the mistakes Plumber A would have made.
Also may I add, Be careful of who trains Plumber A, who Plumber A associates with, and ask Plumber A why he won't allow you access to his college records to make sure he is who he claims to be. Because when choosing a plumber, we really can't afford to hire the wrong one.
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October 29th, 2008, 11:11 PM
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one more tid bit Callip
Plumber A has an assistant, he was overheard saying that the $110,000 that your hypothetically plumber made might actually fall into our spread the doodoo range, as he and his boss are not exactly sure how low that income limit might go.
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October 30th, 2008, 10:27 AM
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wages
You will have to excuse me for being intrusive but don't icu nurses make more than that. The cost of living is increasing as we speak and will continue to soar. I don't like the disparity of wages but it is a hard fact of life.I don't like Obama or his plan but it looks like reality in november. blackchipjim
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October 30th, 2008, 10:56 AM
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Our local 'JOE THE PLUMBER' charges $55 bucks per hour, three times what I made as a nurse in intensive care! ...
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Yeah, and I know Maurice the Male Nurse. Despite the low percentage of male nurses, ever notice when there's a news story about a nurse abusing patients, it's usually a male?
So Maurice spends his workdays getting senile patients to sign their Social Security checks over to him, and gets his kicks sticking his fingers and other parts in their bodily orifices. If he feels guilty about any of this, he assuages it by injecting himself with the pain drugs meant for them while they suffer. And if they are suffering too much, in his opinion, he has a solution for that too- involuntary euthanasia (murder).
Aren't stereotypes fun?
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October 30th, 2008, 01:25 PM
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Hourly Labor Rates
Anyone with business knowledge will tell you this. The reason Joe the plumber has to charge $55 per hour is because his tool equipped truck is a $75,000 (probably more) investment and there are many, many other overhead costs that have to be figured in on hourly charges.
Once the overhead is figured in, the actual amount he makes per hour is much, much less. I'm not a plumber but I've been in the service business for close to 40 years and I'm all too familiar with overhead costs!
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October 30th, 2008, 01:49 PM
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Once the overhead is figured in, the actual amount he makes per hour is much, much less.
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... in which case the probability that he'd be affected by an Obama tax hike is even lower!
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October 30th, 2008, 02:32 PM
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Who is JTP anyway? (A plant, thats who). zg From: ZEN!!! Where is Zen when you need him?
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Originally Posted by cardcounter0
Joe The Plumber.
Joe has a relative with the same last name (Wurzelbacher) who lives in Wasilla, Alaska and participates in competitive dog sled racing with Palin's husband.
(Samuel) Joe Wurzelbacher is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan.
Remember the Keating 5? With Sen. McCain of Arizona? Of course, Joe the Plumber's relative, served time in the Federal Pen along with his father-in-law, Charles Keating. At the time, Joe the Plumber (now supposedly from Ohio) lived in Arizona.
SO... IS Joe the Plumber ...just a pawn working for them?
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Originally Posted by cardcounter0
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Brother Aslan also writes for Joe The Plumber:
"I love America. I hope it remains a democracy, not a Socialist society.
If you look at spreading the wealth, that's honestly right out of Karl Marx's mouth."

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October 30th, 2008, 03:15 PM
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Business owner or employee?
If Joe is working for an owner he's making between 50 and 100k depending on his location, overtime worked, etc.
If HE owns the company and has a few employees, making 250k is very conceivable in certain parts of the country.
Thus the incentive for anyone going from an employee to an owner disappears because along with the MUCH higher taxes, comes the headaches and responsibilities that come with being the owner (keeping good employees, satisfying unhappy clients, collecting accounts receivable and a host of other challenges that come with the territory).
NO INCENTIVE=NO REASON TO "ADVANCE"
Billy C1
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