hi-lo question for all

[takinfromindians97]

I use the kiss III and i started to use the UBZ 2 but I want to switch to the hi-lo, does anyone have any tips? I would like a chart of RC to TC conversions if anyone has it, just so i can get a basic grasp of the conversions. I have never used a balanced count. I am just looking for anything anyone would say i should focus on.
Thanks everyone!

[zengrifter]

RC = 8
TC = RC/#decks remain
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Decks Remaining:
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8.00 = 1
6.00 = 1.5
4.00 = 2
3.00 = 3
2.00 = 4
1.75 = 5
1.50 = 6
1.25 = 7
1.00 = 8
0.75 = 12
0.50 = 16

[takinfromindians97]

Thank you for that zen. Is there any place i can find a more broad chart? Books or past threads?

[takinfromindians97]

It seams like such a hassle to convert to a TC is there any way to make it easier. I really want to use the hi-lo, because im really getting into shuffle tracking and things along those lines, and it is just easier with a balanced count. Any good reads or anything that will help with hi-lo will be greatly appreciated.

[callipygian]

Originally Posted by takinfromindians97

It seams like such a hassle to convert to a TC is there any way to make it easier.

No. Learn how to divide integers in your head, it's a general skill.

If you can't divide by non-integers very easily (e.g. 17 divided by 3.5), you can use one of several forms of estimation:

(1) Upper/lower bound. Divide your RC by 3. Divide your RC by 4. Dividing by 3.5 will be between those two numbers. So if you have a RC of +17, dividing by 3 is about 6 (18/3 = 6), dividing by 4 is about 4 (16/4 = 4), so dividing by 3.5 will be about 5 (in actuality it's 4.86).

(2) Multiplication tables. Memorize your 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, and 6.5 tables. 3.5 x 1 = 3.5, 3.5 x 2 = 7, 3.5 x 3 = 10.5, 3.5 x 4 = 14, 3.5 x 5 = 17.5, so 17/3.5 will be just less than 5.

(3) Integer-izing. Multiply both your top and bottom by n to get integers, where n is the fraction of a deck that you estimate to (so for half-deck estimation n = 2, quarter-deck estimation n = 4). 17/3.5 = (17*2)/(3.5*2) = 34/7 = 4 6/7.

[takinfromindians97]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

RC = 8
TC = RC/#decks remain
---------
Decks Remaining:
---------
8.00 = 1
6.00 = 1.5
4.00 = 2
3.00 = 3
2.00 = 4
1.75 = 5
1.50 = 6
1.25 = 7
1.00 = 8
0.75 = 12
0.50 = 16

ZEN help me out here you say here that with 3 decks gone at a running count of 8, the TC is 3. How is this possible? 3 does not go into 8 3 times. Am i missing something?

[bjcount]

Originally Posted by takinfromindians97

ZEN help me out here you say here that with 3 decks gone at a running count of 8, the TC is 3. How is this possible? 3 does not go into 8 3 times. Am i missing something?

First realize it's 3 decks remaining in the shoe, not 3d gone (played). If it was 3d gone= 5d remain, the TC=1.6
Unless your adjusting your bets by 1/2 TC's, then 8/3 = 2.66 truncated (round pos.# down & neg. # up)= 3. If you are flooring (rounding down) its 2.

BJC

[takinfromindians97]

But that seems like your over estimating way to much. When you are counting dont you always want to be on the low side? Better to have the count lower and bet a little less in a higher count, then to overbet in a lower count. Isnt it?

I would think that with 3 decks gone RC 8 that the TC would be 2. I would think that 5 decks gone with a RC or 8 that the TC would be 1. If i am wrong please explain.

[bjcount]

Originally Posted by takinfromindians97

But that seems like your over estimating way to much. When you are counting dont you always want to be on the low side? Better to have the count lower and bet a little less in a higher count, then to overbet in a lower count. Isnt it?

I would think that with 3 decks gone RC 8 that the TC would be 2. I would think that 5 decks gone with a RC or 8 that the TC would be 1. If i am wrong please explain.

Simply speaking it comes down to one word, Risk.
Round down- less risk, round up - more risk

At TC 2.66 your ideal expectation is to get the 10's or have the dealer busting, so you may reconsider having more money out at this point.

If the TC was 0.66 you may be better rounding down while the common practice would be to treat all the situations the same.

BJC

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by takinfromindians97

When you are counting dont you always want to be on the low side?

It depends. If your indices, bet spread and entry/exit points were based on rounded TCs then you are better off using rounded TCs than floored TCs. Either way could be correct and I doubt there would be much difference if you used the “wrong” method.

-Sonny-