Summing Up George Bush

[zengrifter]

Summing Up George Bush

RENSE | 11-11-8

Poor George Bush. All he did was lie about a disastrous war, ruin America's reputation, shred the Constitution, divide the country (quite purposely), let one of our cities drown, spy on us, turn us into torturers, stand by and exacerbate environmental calamity, double the national debt, polarize our wealth into banana republic proportions and deregulate us into the greatest economic disaster in a century.

And how do we express our gratitude? Did we impeach him? Did we bring him up on war crimes charges? Did we tar and feather him?

No, heartless ingrates that we are, we made him suffer for eight years as president of the United States, with all the isolated lack of attention that goes with that lonely job.

-- David Michael Green
-- Associate Professor of Political Science
-- Hofstra University, New York.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Summing Up George Bush

RENSE | 11-11-8

Poor George Bush. All he did was lie about a disastrous war, ruin America's reputation, shred the Constitution, divide the country (quite purposely), let one of our cities drown, spy on us, turn us into torturers, stand by and exacerbate environmental calamity, double the national debt, polarize our wealth into banana republic proportions and deregulate us into the greatest economic disaster in a century.

And how do we express our gratitude? Did we impeach him? Did we bring him up on war crimes charges? Did we tar and feather him?

No, heartless ingrates that we are, we made him suffer for eight years as president of the United States, with all the isolated lack of attention that goes with that lonely job.

-- David Michael Green
-- Associate Professor of Political Science
-- Hofstra University, New York.

It can hardly compare with the isolation and obscurity of an associate professor of political science at some suburban NYC university.

[creeping panther]

He is the biggest mass murderer of this new century. How he sleeps at night I will never know.

He has played right into the hands of the

Think of the horrid example he has set for our children and young people...violence, murder, theft, insolvency, deceit, lies, torture.

CP

[aslan]

Originally Posted by creeping panther

He is the biggest mass murderer of this new century. How he sleeps at night I will never know.

He has played right into the hands of the

Think of the horrid example he has set for our children and young people...violence, murder, theft, insolvency, deceit, lies, torture.

CP

You have a gift for overstatement. Let's see--I guess the violence and murder are the war in Iraq. They are clearly murder because they don't agress with your criteria for a just war. If that is the case, then already there have been millions of murders by proponents of pro-choice, namely, most Democrats and a number of other liberals, by your own criteria; i.e., if it fits someone's criteria of murder. Well abortion fits millions of Americans' criteria for murder. So I suppose you'll have to admit by your own criteria that the Democrats and others are far greater mass murderers than George Bush ever dreamed of being. Sad.

We've got the worst one out of the way. No need to go into the others, which are largely based on your ability to get inside President Bush's mind and understand that he is fully cognizant, as you are, of his wrongdoing but unlike you, who refrains from such things, he persists in committing crime after crime. Mindreading is a quite special and useful talent.

There is one other that might bear a bit of discussion--insolvency. I suppose you are talking about the recent financial and economic crisis. George W. Bush was one of the only ones who called for reining in Fannie Mae--way back in 2003. Congress would not hear of it. They rebuffed your President, so he went on to other efforts where he at least had a chance of getting something done. Of course, Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd had nothing to do with it--they simply pushed vigorously for a continuation of American policy to give everyone a home mortgage whether they could afford it or not. Our heroes!

By the way, conservatives are not for zero regulation. That's just so much Obama-speak. John McCain called for reining in Fannie Mae back in 2005. He too was rebuffed. Conservatives have always been for a necessary level of regulation, just not an overburdening level that stifles commerce. To now go the opposite direction and allow Congress to have permanent massive control over the banking and other industries would be the downfall of the country. We must be on guard that the government's recent and near future moves in this direction are safely temporary actions, otherwise, our free society is in grave risk.

[N&B]

The USA burns while Dubya delegates.

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by aslan

You have a gift for overstatement. Let's see--I guess the violence and murder are the war in Iraq. They are clearly murder because they don't agress with your criteria for a just war. If that is the case, then already there have been millions of murders by proponents of pro-choice, namely, most Democrats and a number of other liberals, by your own criteria; i.e., if it fits someone's criteria of murder. Well abortion fits millions of Americans' criteria for murder. So I suppose you'll have to admit by your own criteria that the Democrats and others are far greater mass murderers than George Bush ever dreamed of being. Sad.

We've got the worst one out of the way. No need to go into the others, which are largely based on your ability to get inside President Bush's mind and understand that he is fully cognizant, as you are, of his wrongdoing but unlike you, who refrains from such things, he persists in committing crime after crime. Mindreading is a quite special and useful talent.

There is one other that might bear a bit of discussion--insolvency. I suppose you are talking about the recent financial and economic crisis. George W. Bush was one of the only ones who called for reining in Fannie Mae--way back in 2003. Congress would not hear of it. They rebuffed your President, so he went on to other efforts where he at least had a chance of getting something done. Of course, Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd had nothing to do with it--they simply pushed vigorously for a continuation of American policy to give everyone a home mortgage whether they could afford it or not. Our heroes!

By the way, conservatives are not for zero regulation. That's just so much Obama-speak. John McCain called for reining in Fannie Mae back in 2005. He too was rebuffed. Conservatives have always been for a necessary level of regulation, just not an overburdening level that stifles commerce. To now go the opposite direction and allow Congress to have permanent massive control over the banking and other industries would be the downfall of the country. We must be on guard that the government's recent and near future moves in this direction are safely temporary actions, otherwise, our free society is in grave risk.

Abortion is an abhorent evil...I condemn it.

I stand by all I said.

CP

[aslan]

Originally Posted by creeping panther

Abortion is an abhorent evil...I condemn it.

I stand by all I said.

CP

Right. I didn't infer that you did. I just want to point out that your point of view is not necessarily shared by everyone else, so maybe you should tone down the rhetoric. There is room for differences among people. Some, like Colin Powell, the Congress, the intelligence communities and others may have viewed the probability of WMD as an imminent threat against the free world by the possibility that Sadaam could supply terrorists with nuclear bombs to attack the US, Israel and other democratic nations. I personally did not think there was an imminent threat, but I did think that Sadaam had WMD. So did British intelligence, CIA and other intelligence agencies. You may stand by what you stated, but you have no way to know what was in George Bush's mind, whether he deliberately lied, or what his real motives were. You are guessing, but stating it as though it were an established fact. That is not your prerogative. No one has the right to accuse without proof. State it as your opinion, not as a matter of fact.

Also, if you believe abortion is killing human life, ie, murder, then millions of Americans are worse than George Bush, both for supporting this mass murder, and for participating in it. But you seem unable to admit that. For some strange reason, you only target George Bush, yet your avowed beliefs seem inconsistent with this narrow view.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by aslan

You have a gift for overstatement. Let's see--I guess the violence and murder are the war in Iraq. They are clearly murder because they don't agress with your criteria for a just war.

A million+ civilian casualties is just scratching the surface - we are talking war crimes and genocide. zg

[aslan]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

A million+ civilian casualties is just scratching the surface - we are talking war crimes and genocide. zg

All is based on the opinion that the war was unjust (voted aye by both sides of the aisle by your elected representatives), and that George Bush was fully cognizant of the fact that it was an unjust war.

By your own criteria, which is unproven personal opinion, half the citizens of the United States are mass murderers through their support of a woman's "right" to kill their unborn babies. This is far more horrific than any number of dead and injured that you can conjure up for the war in Iraq. More than 45 million abortions have been performed in this country since Roe vs. Wade, and you have the chutzpah to single out George Bush as guilty of genocide.

This country is up to its neck in the culture of death and it doesn't start with the President--it starts with the average citizen who supports death as a trade-off for the convenience of uninterrupted, irresponsible sex, without personal consequences. So next time you feel like getting high and mighty with your condemnation of George W. Bush, step back and take a good long look at yourself in the mirror.

It's no wonder that George Bush has become a national scapegoat--the country is in dire need of someone to absolve their corporate guilt, so why not single out a strong and innocent victim to play the role. Are we thinking "that it is better for you to have one man die for the people than to have the whole nation destroyed?" John 11:50 The last time this was tried, an entire nation was destroyed as a consequence. I recommend that each of us bear his own guilt, and corporately we bear the guilt of the whole nation, and stop trying to lay it at the feet of one man. United in good will, we stand--divided in bitterness and hatred, we fall. The choice is ours.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by aslan

It's no wonder that George Bush has become a national scapegoat--the country is in dire need of someone to absolve their corporate guilt, so why not single out a strong and innocent victim to play the role.

Sure we could do that, or we can pin it on a weak and complicit perp like Bush. zg