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Old November 12th, 2008, 12:16 PM
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So it appears the health care program is being rolled out

cost 75 billion
to cover 95% of Americans.
funny we have 100% coverage now if one can deal with the government!

Now is my math correct?

If 150 million paying taxpayers then the cost is $500 per person?

If the average wage is $50,000 then the government is going to be taking 10% more in taxes!

Please don't be so naive to think that only the rich will pay! That is not historically the far left Democratic way!

Somehow I don't think we are going to see a big increase in the quality of health care only it's cost and of course even more dealing with the government!
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Old November 12th, 2008, 12:27 PM
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public healthcare increases preventative tests to treat expensive diseases early and free birth control to cut down on expensive abortions there can be an improvement.
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Old November 12th, 2008, 12:35 PM
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If 150 million paying taxpayers then the cost is $500 per person?
How much do you pay for health insurance now? Yap, that's what I thought, thanks for playing.

If the average wage is $50,000 then the government is going to be taking 10% more in taxes!
Hmmm... $50,000 wage paying $500 = 10% ??? Houston, I think I see the problem -- this one is actually dumber than Bush.
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Old November 12th, 2008, 01:11 PM
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So it appears the health care program is being rolled out

cost 75 billion
to cover 95% of Americans.
funny we have 100% coverage now if one can deal with the government!

Now is my math correct?

If 150 million paying taxpayers then the cost is $500 per person?

If the average wage is $50,000 then the government is going to be taking 10% more in taxes!

Please don't be so naive to think that only the rich will pay! That is not historically the far left Democratic way!

Somehow I don't think we are going to see a big increase in the quality of health care only it's cost and of course even more dealing with the government!

LOL... You're a math magician try figuring out what percentage of $50,000 = $500 again.
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Old November 12th, 2008, 07:33 PM
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Hmmm... $50,000 wage paying $500 = 10% ??? Houston, I think I see the problem -- this one is actually dumber than Bush.
Simple COUNTING error. Check his play. zg
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Old November 12th, 2008, 09:32 PM
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Check his play.
He's playing Ace-Five and he has Aces and Fives reversed.

Given the amount of conservative E-mail forwards about Obama's "socialist" plan, you'd think the answer is pretty obvious: 74% of our total income tax is paid by the highest 12% of earners ($100,000+ in AGI), and 92% of our total income tax is paid by the highest 33% of earners ($50,000+ in AGI). The median American reports $30,000 in AGI and pays an aggregate tax rate of 14% on it.

If the $75 billion plan were evenly spread out among tax dollars, it would amount to an increase of 7.3% ($75 billion / $1,023 billion) on every tax dollar. This means that someone making $1,000,000 to $1,500,000 will pay an additional $21,000 on top of the $293,000 they're already paying. Someone making $100,000 to $200,000 will pay an additional $1,300 on top of the $17,000 they're already paying. And the median American, who makes $30,000 to $40,000 will pay an additional $179 on top of the $2,400 they're already paying. Roughly 35% of Americans will pay an additional $0 on top of the $0 they're already paying.

But Obama's not even proposing to spread out the plan among tax dollars. His proposal was to put it all on the people who make $250,000 and above. How does this affect these same groups of people? Well, first of all, the IRS groups people from $100,000-$200,000 and $200,000-$500,000 together, so let's just pretend Obama's plan is really about $200,000 and above. This group of people (4 million filers, 2.9% of total) pay $544 billion in taxes, and we're raising it by $75 billion, or an average of 14%. Someone making $1,000,000 to $1,500,000 will pay an additional $41,000 on top of the $293,000 they're already paying, and $20,000 more than if the plan had been to spread the cost among all taxpayers. People who make $100,000-$200,000 will pay $0 extra. People who make $30,000-$40,000 will pay $0 extra.

Of course, people who make over $200,000 naturally object to Obama's plan, both in terms of having UHC at all (which would cost them $21,000) or to make "the rich" pay for it all (which would cost them $41,000). But this (and progressive tax rates in general) is a natural consequence of democracy. People making under $200,000 (97.1% of the population) outnumber people making over $200,000 (2.9% of the population) 33:1. So even if everyone who made over $200,000 had ten friends who would vote with "the rich" on principle, they'd still be outnumbered 2:1.
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Old November 12th, 2008, 10:50 PM
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Why doesn't the government just tax the money and send the uninsured a check? It's like asking whether you'd prefer a gift certificate or cash, there's a strictly better option.
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Old November 13th, 2008, 02:39 AM
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Why doesn't the government just tax the money and send the uninsured a check? It's like asking whether you'd prefer a gift certificate or cash, there's a strictly better option.
Insurance companies get special negotiated rates, uninsured people paying cash do not.
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Old November 13th, 2008, 03:37 AM
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So it appears the health care program is being rolled out

cost 75 billion
to cover 95% of Americans.
funny we have 100% coverage now if one can deal with the government!

Now is my math correct?

If 150 million paying taxpayers then the cost is $500 per person?

If the average wage is $50,000 then the government is going to be taking 10% more in taxes!

Please don't be so naive to think that only the rich will pay! That is not historically the far left Democratic way!

Somehow I don't think we are going to see a big increase in the quality of health care only it's cost and of course even more dealing with the government!
The cost is down per person, but up for the nation as a whole (or should I say, hole, as in black hole?). Prepare to wait seven years for a simple but not life-threatening operation. Like other countries who come here for much of their surgery, Americans will be looking for other countries to go when it counts. No longer will we be able to depend on the US for the best health care in the world bar none.
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Old November 13th, 2008, 03:39 AM
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Do you mean goverment funding of birth control? Doesn't this raise an ethical issue?
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