Don't Think the Founding Fathers Intended?!

[Opinion]

For the government to be so big and encompassing? Wasn't the American revolution about taxes and representation?

As the government becomes more of a factor in our lives then politics become more important.

As politics become heated due to their importance in our lives, isn't there the potential for violence?

Did I read somewhere that Obama has mentioned funding abortions? We already know the abortion issue has casused some to resort to extreme violence.

Instead of people and business focusing on their individual issues they are being forced more and more into the political realm because of the effect of government in their lives.

[Unshake]

Originally Posted by Opinion

Did I read somewhere that Obama has mentioned funding abortions? We already know the abortion issue has casused some to resort to extreme violence.

McCain and Palin both opposed Roe V Wade and their position could have caused an equal amount of violence, its not a one-way street.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by Unshake

McCain and Palin both opposed Roe V Wade and their position could have caused an equal amount of violence, its not a one-way street.

They would have to cause the deaths of a large percentage of our countrymen, to do the amount of violence abortion has done.

[Unshake]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

They would have to cause the deaths of a large percentage of our countrymen, to do the amount of violence abortion has done.

However, to some, abortion is not violent. In your opinion yes, but more importantly the idea he posed was that people focus economic issues, not individual.

[GeorgeD]

Originally Posted by Opinion

Did I read somewhere that Obama has mentioned funding abortions? We already know the abortion issue has casused some to resort to extreme violence.
.

So you're saying we should base legislation on the lunatic fringe who resort to violence if they don't like something?

[GeorgeD]

Originally Posted by Unshake

McCain and Palin both opposed Roe V Wade and their position could have caused an equal amount of violence, its not a one-way street.

People who oppose abortion have use threats, vandalism, arson, bombings, kidnapping, stalking, attempted murder and murder (at least seven people assassinated) to advance their extremist agenda. Many, if not most of these people claim to be religious, usually Christian.

Name one documented instance of violent behavior by activists in support of abortion rights.

[Unshake]

Originally Posted by GeorgeD

People who oppose abortion have use threats, vandalism, arson, bombings, kidnapping, stalking, attempted murder and murder (at least seven people assassinated) to advance their extremist agenda. Many, if not most of these people claim to be religious, usually Christian.

That was basically my point

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by Unshake

However, to some, abortion is not violent. In your opinion yes, but more importantly the idea he posed was that people focus economic issues, not individual.

And to some slavery wasn't cruel. Their side lost the war, fortunately, and it was a very violent war.

[callipygian]

Originally Posted by Opinion

For the government to be so big and encompassing?

People today often have this image that the Founding Fathers were:

(a) a distinct set of people, who
(b) agreed, on
(c) immutable principles

None of those is the case. The Founding Fathers are a nebulous group of people who vehemently disagreed on nearly every issue, formed factions, snubbed one another, and eventually enough of them settled on enough issues that they could put together a document and tell everyone else to get on the train or get off the tracks (okay, so trains didn't exist then, but if they did, that's what the Founding Fathers would have said).

It's time you got a grip on reality and realized that the Founding Fathers were neither unified in their vision nor in their purpose for creating this country; the entire Constitution, if nothing else, emphasizes compromise of vastly different ideals.

Once you get over the naive assumption that there was ever an idyllic time in our country's history where family values were strong and everything was fine and dandy before the liberals came and screwed it up, then you can start looking at history as it really is: Puritans raped each other; Thomas Jefferson was a racist; abortion is 2,000 years old; child labor was once lauded in this country.

We live in a effed up world, so appealing to a non-existent time when everything was fine and dandy when taxes were low and everyone was happy is futile.

Ever hear of the Whiskey Rebellion? People got so mad about a whiskey tax they took up arms and assaulted federal officers; George Washington raised a militia and kicked their asses. Is that the utopia you're talking about?

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Unshake

However, to some, abortion is not violent. In your opinion yes, but more importantly the idea he posed was that people focus economic issues, not individual.

Likewise, to some slavery was not immoral. It ended with the largest loss of American lives in any war ever.

--To Opinion: I have never heard that Obama would favor government funding of abortions. Some citizens might refuse to pay taxes, even as some refused to fight in the Viet Nam war. Moral issues and defiance of government go hand in hand. I doubt he said it, but it would be a way to electrify his following--and split the country right down the middle. I sincerely hope you heard wrong.