BJ minimums to be rated
- Thread starter Shoeless Joe
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My MGM card was accepted at a $15 Mandalay Bay table and a $10 MGM Grand table (i.e. at the very least they pretended to enter me into the system). I was told that I'd need to average $25/bet for 6-8 hours/day for room comps, but I was never told that they wouldn't rate lower play.
Are you ruling out other types of gambling specifically? Other people on this board claim that the easiest way to get comps is to play slots at HEI properties, as they give very generous rewards for that.
Are you ruling out other types of gambling specifically? Other people on this board claim that the easiest way to get comps is to play slots at HEI properties, as they give very generous rewards for that.
I pretty much just play blackjack. I do a little bit of sports betting but have been told you have to bet A LOT to get any credit for it.
MGM Grand told me they would not rate me for less than $25 per hand as my card was returned to me. Ironically, they gave me three free nights, despite never having played at the required level or previously stayed there.
Just for kicks, I tried giving my card at Bellagio playing $15 per hand and the snooty table games supervisor turned up his nose at me and practically laughed in my face.
New York New York doesn't give me full comps, but does give me very nice discounts, compared to the posted rates, playing $15.
MGM Grand told me they would not rate me for less than $25 per hand as my card was returned to me. Ironically, they gave me three free nights, despite never having played at the required level or previously stayed there.
Just for kicks, I tried giving my card at Bellagio playing $15 per hand and the snooty table games supervisor turned up his nose at me and practically laughed in my face.
New York New York doesn't give me full comps, but does give me very nice discounts, compared to the posted rates, playing $15.
I actually asked and was told by pit bosses at New York New York, the Trop, MGM, and Paris that they don't pay much attention until you bet $15 minimum. I was told that $15 is pretty much the standard across the board at the majors. It's not that you won't garner points betting lower average but you aren't going to get much out of your play. I watched the pit bosses pretty closely last week and I'll have to say they don't spend much time watching the play at a $10 table.
Granted I did up my buy-in even at $10 tables but I'm not convinced that made much difference. Obviously because of the amount of money being bet the pit bosses pay a lot more attention to $25 tables and less to lower tables. To be honest you have to bet a pretty good bit of money to get comps of any real size and you can easily get trapped into "paying" $500 for a $11.95 buffet if you're not careful. I don't set win limits but I do set loss limits and I'm not going to stay at any table where I'm lossing regardless of how positive the count just to run up comps. If I'm lossing I'm lossing and I walk. All in all we came back with $500 more than we left with and while not a lot of money it wasn't a bad return on the $2,000 I had to play with this past visit.
you walk away regardless of how positive the count is while your losing? Thats when you have the advantage! you wont win every hand... you wont even break 50-50 but you should def stay there and sit it out. Math is on your side! dont let a little negative variation scare you away thats against everything you know!
Well, I do make money playing but I'm not a professional and probably, like some here, not really a hardcore counter. I have a nice but limited amount of money I can or am willing to put at risk. Call it superstition or whatever but positive counts don't guarantee winning and anybody who has played enough knows that. At least for me there are times you just have to walk away and if that makes me wrong then fine. I don't give up easily or quickly and I didn't mean to imply I do. I'd rather be "wrong" and have the assets to come back to the table for another session instead of standing there with empty pockets saying "but the count was positive".
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There is no correlation between whether you lost the last hand and whether you will lose this hand. Law of independent trials.
The only correlation between winning and losing is the count, which you are ignoring.
If you don't care about winning, that's fine, have fun. But recognize that you will lose more and win less by leaving positive counts.
The only correlation between winning and losing is the count, which you are ignoring.
If you don't care about winning, that's fine, have fun. But recognize that you will lose more and win less by leaving positive counts.
Actually, if I understand Randy correctly, he will win less but not lose more. He walks away whenever he loses too many hands in a row, regardless of where the count is. Presumably, if he's winning at positive counts, he'll continue to play. And, of course, walking away at negative counts, whether you're winning or losing, is always the right move.
Leaving if you're upset or you've hit a stop-loss, regardless of how high the count is, is good discipline. Especially if stop-losses are there to prevent problem gambling or marital discord.
I think you and standard toaster are confusing "I walk away when I hit a stop-loss, which is sometimes during positive counts" with "I walk away when I hit a positive count, which is sometimes during a stop-loss." I think Randy's making the first statement, and I think the first statement is fine.
Leaving if you're upset or you've hit a stop-loss, regardless of how high the count is, is good discipline. Especially if stop-losses are there to prevent problem gambling or marital discord.
I think you and standard toaster are confusing "I walk away when I hit a stop-loss, which is sometimes during positive counts" with "I walk away when I hit a positive count, which is sometimes during a stop-loss." I think Randy's making the first statement, and I think the first statement is fine.
Moo - This is really not a challenge to you....I'm trying to understand. If I hear you right you're saying even when losing you stay at the table as long as the count is positive. How long? Do you assume that with a positive count the hands will improve in your favor and therefore it's just a matter of time/hands played?
The correct thing to do would be to play through the count. But realisticly many people do not have the guy or the bankroll for it. The more you play the more you win over time thats the beautiful thing about card counting. Wether your winning or losing you have the advantage at a high count dont let a little negative variance scare you away.
Think about it when your losing it will be most noticable during your high count when the max bet is out. A few losing hands could scare you away but you should sit through it.
Think about it when your losing it will be most noticable during your high count when the max bet is out. A few losing hands could scare you away but you should sit through it.