Will LS or a 3 deck game come to AC?

I was thinking maybe Borgata will introduce 4 deck games to compete with Tropicana and a BJ war between the two casinos will ensue over customers. Then perhaps Trop will counter Borgata's 4 deck game by offering an innovative 3 deck game, or maybe even offer LS. Just think how enticing this will look to players who are driving on the AC Expressway and see the billboard advertisement!!!

We will just have to see how things pan out....but no way will Borgata sit idle and watch Trop take all its BJ customers!!!!

Those 4D games at Trop aren't any more or less popular than their 8D games. The only ones flocking to them are the counters.

The vast majority of players don't know or care about the difference.Tropicana doesn't have the cache of Borgota, yet.

A lot of the smarter/high roller customers prefer better games. The ploppies don't care, but the businessman who's been playing blackjack for years, a lot of these people know that fewer decks is better. Black chippers tend to be smarter.

In my neck of the woods, the black chippers all play double deck if it's available.

If that is true, how do you explain the fact that Trop's revenues exceeded those of Borgata in the last month?

Most ploppies in general realize that fewer decks mean better chances of winning.

I expect Revel to come up with a good game when they open. They're the ones after Borgata's market. BTW, construction of their two towers just north of Showboat is moving along quickly.

What are the numbers before the 4D game became available? The Trop has always been the underdog to upper class casinos like the Borgata. The question should be not has the Trop exceeded earnings of the Borgata, but has the Trop come closer to the earnings of the Borgata and Caesars. OR has the loss of revenue from the Trop decreased since the arrival of the 4 Deck games?

earning JUST 3.2 million dollars a month on the off season... boy would i love 3.2 million dollars... heck 3.2 a year is fine with me

That 3.2 million doesn't come close to covering the interest on their debt.

Technically, the term "earnings" refers to profit after expenses, including interest, debt payments, etc.

Although that number may not actually be earnings, it could be cash flow from operations, or something like that which does not include interest payments.

In this case, I believe it is referring to cash flow. Caesars, Ballys, Showboat and the rest are all part of Harrahs, which is currently drowning in red ink.

actual monthly revenue figures

The Trop and its neighbor, the Hilton, are waist deep in the big muddy.

As the 4 deckers were introduced during this last quarter of the year, you'll need to see the figures for the first quarter of 2009, and that will not be available until the spring.

The website for the local N.J. newspaper, "The Press of Atlantic City" carries the MONTHLY A.C. earnings figures.

I used to be able to find the actual BLACKJACK TABLE HOLD PERCENTAGES for all of the A.C. casinos, but I no longer have a link. <sigh>

THIS story has graphs of the earnings for Nov.:

"Atlantic City casino revenue off 7.8 percent last month
By ERIK ORTIZ Staff Writer, 609-272-7253
Published: Thursday, December 11, 2008"

Here is the link, showing the graphs. Take a look:

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/180/story/342608.html (Archive copy)

As you can see the TROP lost over 10% of its revenue, but the HILTON lost TRIPLE that !

A WEALTH of INFORMATION

http://www.njccc.gov/casinos/financia/mthrev/docs/2008/200811revenue.pdf (Archive copy)

This is the most informative webite imaginable. Be sure to bookmark it.

Be sure to follow this link. You will be glad that you did. Enjoy this link and LEARN from it.

It will show you the actual casino "hold" - that is their earnings by % of the money put on the table by the players - for each casino.

You may be amazed to see that the Tropicana actually LOST money at their baccarat game !

Wait until you see the absurd figure for Double Attack BJ !

See the differences in what percentage of the money different casino BLACKJACK tables are holding.

Can you even imagine a richer source of info' as to which casinos just may be offering the better BJ ?

Show this to your non-advantage player friends, pointing out the absurdly high 'hold' figures for "Carnival Games" like Pai Gow Poker.

http://www.njccc.gov/casinos/financia/mthrev/docs/2008/200811revenue.pdf (Archive copy)

How is it possible that they're having double digit holds on roulette?!?! Isn't the house edge only like 2% on this game?

And I'm doing my part to throw them an anchor.

How the hell can a casino lose money? I find it hard to believe they're not just getting ripped off from the inside.

It's not that the casinos are losing money, per se. It's that the revenue doesn't come close to covering the interest on the eight billion dollar debt Apollo leveraged itself into. i'm looking for them to start spinning off a few casinos, ala MGM selling TI.

Are you trying to say Caesars and Harrahs are not drowning in red ink? The real losers in AC are not Trump, it's Resorts and Hilton. Their parent company just missed a bond payment and now are paying the default rate of 19.5%
Compared to them, Trumps properties are well heeled.
Of course, the real losers are the almost 5,000 employees of the twentyodd businesses that Pinnacle put out of business in order to create a massive black hole in the center of the boardwalk.