Double exposure indices

[rollem411]

I'm looking for Zen index plays in Double Exposure Blackjack. Not sure if I can use my multi deck indices and apply them. Any thoughts?

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by rollem411

I'm looking for Zen index plays in Double Exposure Blackjack. Not sure if I can use my multi deck indices and apply them. Any thoughts?

No way. DE requires a totally different strategy and count to beat. The standard blackjack hands (e.g., 12 vs. 6) do not exist in DE.

And incidentally, it is a very tough game to beat with the D9 rule, which is the only way it's dealt anymore. Might not be worth it.

[rollem411]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

No way. DE requires a totally different strategy and count to beat. The standard blackjack hands (e.g., 12 vs. 6) do not exist in DE.

And incidentally, it is a very tough game to beat with the D9 rule, which is the only way it's dealt anymore. Might not be worth it.

I still have all standard BJ rules and thought I could use the DE basic strategy as a general guide because I'm trying to take advantage asap. I never even thought of the rule variations having the effect on the BS card for the game. I hope it doesn't have a big impact on the strategy, but I imagine it would with the doubling restrictions enforced in an actual DE game.

When I was playing the other day I attempted to use my index plays, but was very confused and I really didn't know what to do. I just kept my max bet out the whole time and flat bet it.

Also, what do you mean a different count?

[mociferous]

If you want basic strategy for double exposure, look it up in wizardofodds.com. I used it last year for a 6-month promotion a local casino had. Hard to do, but profitable.

[Martin Gayle]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

No way. DE requires a totally different strategy and count to beat. The standard blackjack hands (e.g., 12 vs. 6) do not exist in DE.

And incidentally, it is a very tough game to beat with the D9 rule, which is the only way it's dealt anymore. Might not be worth it.

12v6 does exist. 12v4,2, 12v3,3. The play BJ and DEBJ is the same.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by rollem411

I still have all standard BJ rules and thought I could use the DE basic strategy as a general guide because I'm trying to take advantage asap. I never even thought of the rule variations having the effect on the BS card for the game. I hope it doesn't have a big impact on the strategy, but I imagine it would with the doubling restrictions enforced in an actual DE game.

It has a big effect on the EV. You need to double like a mofo against dealer 15 and 16 in DE, and with the D9 rule you can't get enough money down on the table to make it worthwhile, usually.

Originally Posted by rollem411

When I was playing the other day I attempted to use my index plays, but was very confused and I really didn't know what to do. I just kept my max bet out the whole time and flat bet it.

Also, what do you mean a different count?

I mean the cards have different values to a player in DE than in regular blackjack. First of all, naturals pay 1:1 so there goes the ace, you might as well treat it as a neutral card. Secondly, you are a lot more dependent on dealer busts because of all the doubling and splitting you end up doing against bad dealer hands, so the middle cards become proportionally more powerful. I'm not going to speculate as to what the ideal system tags would be because I haven't done the computer work.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

No way. DE requires a totally different strategy and count to beat. The standard blackjack hands (e.g., 12 vs. 6) do not exist in DE.

And incidentally, it is a very tough game to beat with the D9 rule, which is the only way it's dealt anymore. Might not be worth it.

I don't think the game is terrible, but it is very different that regular blackjack.

My guess is that playing efficiency is much more important. And the effects of removal are different, because 9 is probably much stronger, and Ace less strong.

[SystemsTrader]

Where is this game available? I've never come across it in Vegas and it's not listed in CBJN.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by SystemsTrader

Where is this game available? I've never come across it in Vegas and it's not listed in CBJN.

I saw it one time in Detroit a few years ago, but can't remember any other time.

[gibsonlp33stl]

What is the D9 rule? Also, I specifically remember this being discussed in Wong's book. I believe he even had indexes.