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[sneakykid]

Sup everyone

I decided I wanted to learn how to count cards, I been been reading for the past couple days, I notice the hi-low is the most common. Zen and Mentor seems good. Undecided

They shuffle with 6D but only deal like 5D then reshuffle. S17, DAS, No surrender. What system is best for this type of game? Some places have the machine shuffle, some shuffle by hand. What will benefit more? I know you guys will tell me whatever fits me, but I rather hear it from an experience person. I been learning the hi-low count but decided to stop and see whats the better system so I can learn that system instead of relearning how to count with a new system. What is Shuffle tracking? I figure its only good if they hand shuffle.

So when you do get a count, the higher the count the higher you bet? So if true count is 0 or less bet 1unit as in the minimum bet, if count is +2 bet 4units? Whats the % to bet to your BR. Lets say I start off with $1000 and sit at a $5 minimum table? Pass 4 days I been wining a $100 a night, but I cash in only $100, I play minimum $5 then sometimes $25. I know I been kinda lucky and its going to get back at me, so I decided to learn how to count cards to get more advantage.

Whats a good book I should buy? Blackjack blueprint 2, Blackbelt in blackjack, Professional Blackjack are the ones I see a lot on this site.

Please don't advise me to just start off with the hi-low, KO system as a beginner, I don't want to get good at a system and re-learn another. I'm serious about learning and I know I came to the right place for help. I understand if all these questions have been answer, but its hard to read 100+ threads.

I browsed around on youtube and found this video...He says the hi-low count will kill you in the long run because it counts the aces as -1 and leaves out 7,8,9. Its called jstat. If you click on his username you will find his other videos explaining how it works. He said he lost a lot using the hi-low count so decided to upgrade the ten count from some guy and used that for years but got barred and now sharing info.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMXQUAxSB5o

[1357111317]

Originally Posted by sneakykid

Sup everyone

I decided I wanted to learn how to count cards, I been been reading for the past couple days, I notice the hi-low is the most common. Zen and Mentor seems good. Undecided

They shuffle with 6D but only deal like 5D then reshuffle. S17, DAS, No surrender. What system is best for this type of game? Some places have the machine shuffle, some shuffle by hand. What will benefit more? I know you guys will tell me whatever fits me, but I rather hear it from an experience person. I been learning the hi-low count but decided to stop and see whats the better system so I can learn that system instead of relearning how to count with a new system. What is Shuffle tracking? I figure its only good if they hand shuffle.

So when you do get a count, the higher the count the higher you bet? So if true count is 0 or less bet 1unit as in the minimum bet, if count is +2 bet 4units? Whats the % to bet to your BR. Lets say I start off with $1000 and sit at a $5 minimum table? Pass 4 days I been wining a $100 a night, but I cash in only $100, I play minimum $5 then sometimes $25. I know I been kinda lucky and its going to get back at me, so I decided to learn how to count cards to get more advantage.

Whats a good book I should buy? Blackjack blueprint 2, Blackbelt in blackjack, Professional Blackjack are the ones I see a lot on this site.

Please don't advise me to just start off with the hi-low, KO system as a beginner, I don't want to get good at a system and re-learn another. I'm serious about learning and I know I came to the right place for help. I understand if all these questions have been answer, but its hard to read 100+ threads.

I browsed around on youtube and found this video...He says the hi-low count will kill you in the long run because it counts the aces as -1 and leaves out 7,8,9. Its called jstat. If you click on his username you will find his other videos explaining how it works. He said he lost a lot using the hi-low count so decided to upgrade the ten count from some guy and used that for years but got barred and now sharing info.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMXQUAxSB5o

Well not that I am an expert on any of this but Ill give you some advice to get you started in the right direction.

1. There is absoloutly nothing wrong with HiLo for shoe games. You might gain an extra tenth of a percent using something more complex but due to its simplicity it should probably be your #1 choice if you are just starting off.

2. As a general rule on this site a 100 max BR is recommended to have a reasonably low risk of ruin. Since you will probably want to have around a 1-15 to a 1-20 spread for a 6D game that would mean a 7.5k to 10k BR if you are using 5 dollar units. Now this is all just rough calculations but other people will confirm that your BR should be in the 5-10 thousand range for a 5 dollar unit

3. As for shuffle tracking it entirely depends on the shuffle. If you PM the exact details of the shuffle I can let you know how effective shuffle tracking could be.

[sneakykid]

Originally Posted by 1357111317

Well not that I am an expert on any of this but Ill give you some advice to get you started in the right direction.

1. There is absoloutly nothing wrong with HiLo for shoe games. You might gain an extra tenth of a percent using something more complex but due to its simplicity it should probably be your #1 choice if you are just starting off.

2. As a general rule on this site a 100 max BR is recommended to have a reasonably low risk of ruin. Since you will probably want to have around a 1-15 to a 1-20 spread for a 6D game that would mean a 7.5k to 10k BR if you are using 5 dollar units. Now this is all just rough calculations but other people will confirm that your BR should be in the 5-10 thousand range for a 5 dollar unit

3. As for shuffle tracking it entirely depends on the shuffle. If you PM the exact details of the shuffle I can let you know how effective shuffle tracking could be.

For the true count...do I divde the RC with the remaining # of decks? The casinos around here has like a cut card and reshuffles when it comes...leaving like 1.5 decks un dealt...So would i divide with 6 decks or 4.5 decks

thats a big spread...playing at a table with a $5 miniumim with 7.5k to 10k...

I will get back to you on the shuffle.

anyone else inputs?

Thanks

[EasyRhino]

6 decks with 4.5 dealt is a very common game. It's not a good game, but it's common.

You'd be looking at roughtly a $5-$100 spread with a $10k bankroll to attack it with a fairly small risk of ruin.

A count like hi-lo or KO is fine. The reduction in your advantage from using a super difficult count would be less than half a percent.

The youtube video is crap. He's using a "ten count", ignoring aces completely. That's not useful in real conditions (unless you're side counting aces)

[1357111317]

You would divide by six decks.

[sneakykid]

Originally Posted by EasyRhino

6 decks with 4.5 dealt is a very common game. It's not a good game, but it's common.

You'd be looking at roughtly a $5-$100 spread with a $10k bankroll to attack it with a fairly small risk of ruin.

A count like hi-lo or KO is fine. The reduction in your advantage from using a super difficult count would be less than half a percent.

The youtube video is crap. He's using a "ten count", ignoring aces completely. That's not useful in real conditions (unless you're side counting aces)

So should I even learn to count with that type of game?

Youtube guy said he side count aces with his foot...


So even tho they deal up to 4.5 decks you still act like they deal up to 6decks?

So first 3 hands say you got a count of +2, would I divide by 6 or 4.5.

Is there a book I should buy to read.
I already know the BS been playing BJ for a while now.

[rollem411]

You would divide by 6 still. The composition of the 6 decks will not be perfect. When 1 deck is dealt through, you won't have a RC of 0 all the time. You want to divide by the number of cards you have actually seen.

So if you saw 100 cards and have a RC of +8. You would round to 2 decks and divide by the remaining, which is 4, to give you a TC of +2.

[sneakykid]

Ok I understand now. So what is a good true count? +2 and above? Whats a betting stragegy.

Is it good to cut a shoe in the center or towards the ends?

Should I stick to the casinos that shuffle by hand?

[1357111317]

Well depending on your rules a TC of +1 is probably the breakeven point.

As for cutting it doesn't matter at all unless you are shuffle tracking.

For straight counting you are probably better off playing an automatic shuffling machine ( different from a continuous shuffling machine) since the shuffle will be quicker and therefore more hands per hour.

[sneakykid]

rules as in the casino rules?
Its 6D, double after split, double on anything i believe, S17

So i guess if i knew shuffle techniques shuffle by hand is better, wouldn't i get more odds if i knew shuffle techniques?

After reading some more on the forums...I see people saying its not even worth counting a 6D game? All the games around my area is 6D game and dealt with around 4.5 so i guess the pen is 75%?

Is there a betting strategy I should study?