Whats your betting strategy?

jack.jackson

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#1
Just kinda curious, as to how, the majority of players bet their money?

For example, I like to keep it simple with a large spread,(1-12) against multiple decks, parlaying on wins only, as long as the count is high enough, of course!

Min(10$)
Avg(60$)
Max(60x60)



Do you:

1) Bet exactly with the TC?

2) Play one or two or three hands only?

3) Switch-up, the # of hands?

4) Grifters Gambit?

5)Parlay on wins only?

6) Take advantage of free cable?
 
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KOLAN

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#2
big profit i make
1unit bet win bet 1 lost bet1
1unit bet win bet 2 lost bet 1
2unit bet win bet3 lost bet 1
------------------------------
i win 14 times in row
:cool2:
 

jack.jackson

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#4
KOLAN said:
big profit i make
1unit bet win bet 1 lost bet1
1unit bet win bet 2 lost bet 1
2unit bet win bet3 lost bet 1
------------------------------
i win 14 times in row
:cool2:
So, if you lose regardless of the count, you drop down to just 1 unit?
 

jack.jackson

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#5
PrinceDragon said:
$10-2x60 is not a 1-12 spread,it's only 1-8

And I also wonder how the Avg bet=$60

P.D.
You mean 1:6?

Actually I call it the bump! (First Raise) I guess, I should of used #'s instead. I realize the average bet, would be much lower.
 

kewljason

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#6
jack said:
Do you:

1) Bet exactly with the TC?

2) Play one or two or three hands only?

3) Switch-up, the # of hands?

4) Grifters Gambit?

5)Parlay on wins only?

6) Take advantage of free cable?[/B]

I use a 1-8 spread, wonging out @-1, bet 2x6 instead of 8 units when able to, betting strickly by the count. I play short sessions, move around alot and dont worry about much camaflouge.
 

sagefr0g

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#7
jack said:
Just kinda curious, as to how, the majority of players bet their money?

For example, I like to keep it simple with a large spread,(1-12) against multiple decks, parlaying on wins only, as long as the count is high enough, of course!

Min(10$)
Avg(60$)
Max(60x60)
min ($5)
max ($40)
ramp 1u, 2u or 3u, 5u or 7u, 8u
for six or eight deck shoes.....


1) Bet exactly with the TC?
i just guess.
2) Play one or two or three hands only?
just one hand
3) Switch-up, the # of hands?
very rarely
4) Grifters Gambit?
no
5)Parlay on wins only?
no
6) Take advantage of free cable?
:eek:
 
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Mimosine

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#8
jack said:
Do you:
1) Bet exactly with the TC?
2) Play one or two or three hands only?
3) Switch-up, the # of hands?
4) Grifters Gambit?
5)Parlay on wins only?
6) Take advantage of free cable?
1) No, I pay careful attention to my min bet index, 2u index, 1/2max index, and max index. With unbalanced counts the count jumps drastically from round to round. Basically, for any TC <1 min bet, TC 1+ = 2u, TC 2-3 = 1/2max, TC 4 units = Max, TC 5 try to go to two hands totaling 130% max bet.

when the count is jumping around a lot between 2-3 i try to keep whatever bet i had out there or parlay if warranted. Though often I am off by 2-3 units depending.

2) I play mostly 1 hand, conditions where I am don't often allow two hands to be played. If the count is exceptional I will play two hands - and i think i am going to start back-lining fellow players (if they are good enough).

3) yes

4) this year I will try, maybe vegas....

5) No. I will parlay a little bit, but in some of the games I am playing if the count skyrockets I can't afford to lose 2-3 rounds hoping for a win so that i can parlay. If the count is exceptional enough and I win a double down I will put almost the whole thing out. I will pull back a big bet if I put it out and the count tanks and I push or win. I play a small amount of camo, and try to make my overall betting habits erratic. Though if i get a blackjack and count tanks, I take back a lot, if i get a blackjack and count skyrockets, I'll parlay out almost the whole 3:2 win. I keep sessions short, and try to bet aggressive.

6)i try not to watch tv, though american idol is so inspiring i can't help but watch.
 
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White Guy

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#9
Thats funny I was just thinking about this. I was wondering the best way to get a bigger spread in 6d without getting barred and playing all except -1 or less.

What about:

min bet $10 on 0+1
+1 or higher two hands $15
+2+ two hands $25
+3+ two hands $65
+4+ two hands $90
+5+ two hands $115
+6+ two hands $140


Using wonging techniques and a few cover plays do you think I can get away with it? By wonging in a few times at higher counts and trying to wong at at lower counts so I rarely do bet $10?? Also notice the $65 and $115 have three reds on it so it may look like I was betting the same to the camera.

??Whatcha Think?? Do I need to never play one hand of $10 when betting this way? Will it get me barred? I basically have a wonging strategy but I want to put in as much time as I can in three day trips to Vegas so I need a good play all strategy as well.

Thanks
 

jack.jackson

Well-Known Member
#10
White Guy said:
Thats funny I was just thinking about this. I was wondering the best way to get a bigger spread in 6d without getting barred and playing all except -1 or less.

What about:

min bet $10 on 0+1
+1 or higher two hands $15
+2+ two hands $25
+3+ two hands $65
+4+ two hands $90
+5+ two hands $115
+6+ two hands $140


Using wonging techniques and a few cover plays do you think I can get away with it? By wonging in a few times at higher counts and trying to wong at at lower counts so I rarely do bet $10?? Also notice the $65 and $115 have three reds on it so it may look like I was betting the same to the camera.

??Whatcha Think?? Do I need to never play one hand of $10 when betting this way? Will it get me barred? I basically have a wonging strategy but I want to put in as much time as I can in three day trips to Vegas so I need a good play all strategy as well.

Thanks
IMO, it looks way too mechanical. And I could be mistaking, but unless you've put in some serious practice, these can be hard to calculate at the table. Especially, when your knees are shaking and you cant even stack your chips, right:)

I suggest you break it down some. The 2 hand approach, is great, but you need to think more, in building your strategy, in casino chip denominations like. 5,10,25,50,100....etc.

Youd be surprised, how this convenience, can help your game a little. Have you checked out CVCX, optimal ramps?
 

jack.jackson

Well-Known Member
#12
Mimosine said:
1) No, I pay careful attention to my min bet index, 2u index, 1/2max index, and max index. With unbalanced counts the count jumps drastically from round to round. Basically, for any TC <1 min bet, TC 1+ = 2u, TC 2-3 = 1/2max, TC 4 units = Max, TC 5 try to go to two hands totaling 130% max bet.

when the count is jumping around a lot between 2-3 i try to keep whatever bet i had out there or parlay if warranted. Though often I am off by 2-3 units depending.

2) I play mostly 1 hand, conditions where I am don't often allow two hands to be played. If the count is exceptional I will play two hands - and i think i am going to start back-lining fellow players (if they are good enough).

3) yes

4) this year I will try, maybe vegas....

5) No. I will parlay a little bit, but in some of the games I am playing if the count skyrockets I can't afford to lose 2-3 rounds hoping for a win so that i can parlay. If the count is exceptional enough and I win a double down I will put almost the whole thing out. I will pull back a big bet if I put it out and the count tanks and I push or win. I play a small amount of camo, and try to make my overall betting habits erratic. Though if i get a blackjack and count tanks, I take back a lot, if i get a blackjack and count skyrockets, I'll parlay out almost the whole 3:2 win. I keep sessions short, and try to bet aggressive.

6)i try not to watch tv, though american idol is so inspiring i can't help but watch.
In practice, I used to experiment, with letting all doubled winings ride. It never seemed to pan out for me.

PEvsBCvsSpreadsvsRoRvs#ofhands

Lately, ive been paying more attention to counts, with high PE or high BE.

In general, they either have one or the other. Ive noticed, that "IN general", counts with high PE, are better geared for low spreads. Alot players really dont understand why(including me:p) a high BC, is important for MD. The really dont understand that the higher your BC is, the more effective your system is, with larger spreads, verses RoR.

What I see as an ideal day, is Reveres APC(.997) w/ a 1:100 spraed playing 3 hands.
Note on this count it takes, about 1:100 unit spread before it will max out its OSR. Which=the BC of the count. But a count like Zen,(.970) its OSR, is maxed out, on a flat bet! So naturally, Zen would give you a nice tolerable RoR, with fairly low spreads. But it is my belief, that if you start trying to use a 1:100 spread w/Zen, your RoR would be twice as high, as it would, with; let's say, the RAPC, with the same BR. Maybe someone could sim my theory?

Unfortunately BJmath is down, so were no longer to use its effeciency analyzer. I was just getting good at it:cry:

Sorry for getting off-track
 
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ace157

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#14
mix it up

I'm still new to the game, but from what i've read my analysis is this:
TC - is a good indication and a good guideline but by no means the law of betting

Grifter's Gambit - appealing and interesting; particularly to hurry through cold spots in the deck

Also, i just finished "Burning the tables in Las Vegas" by Ian Anderson, and in the Ultimate Gambit section he mentions a "sort of" depth charging method where you would increase your bet only after winning a hand, decrease your bet only after losing a hand, never decrease by more than 50% and never increase by more than parlay. Wat do ya'll think of that?
 

White Guy

Well-Known Member
#15
jack said:
IMO, it looks way too mechanical. And I could be mistaking, but unless you've put in some serious practice, these can be hard to calculate at the table. Especially, when your knees are shaking and you cant even stack your chips, right:)

I suggest you break it down some. The 2 hand approach, is great, but you need to think more, in building your strategy, in casino chip denominations like. 5,10,25,50,100....etc.

Youd be surprised, how this convenience, can help your game a little. Have you checked out CVCX, optimal ramps?
Have not checked this with any software. I was just trying to come up with a way to spread 1-15 or so without looking like it. I am open to any ideas??? Lately I have been only wonging but would like a good play all strategy for comps sake..
 

johndoe

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#16
White Guy said:
Have not checked this with any software. I was just trying to come up with a way to spread 1-15 or so without looking like it. I am open to any ideas??? Lately I have been only wonging but would like a good play all strategy for comps sake..
For red/green play, spreading 1-15 in shoe games should be cake with even a modestly decent act. If you want to be safer, read Andersen's book. His full gambit is a bit pricey for green play, but he does have some special strategies for green-chippers that barely ding your EV.
 

jack.jackson

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#17
White Guy said:
Have not checked this with any software. I was just trying to come up with a way to spread 1-15 or so without looking like it. I am open to any ideas??? Lately I have been only wonging but would like a good play all strategy for comps sake..
Can you list your details? Rules, Pen, Bankroll....etc

Then I'll run a CVCX sim for ya, and it automatically calculates optimal ramps for ya.
 

jack.jackson

Well-Known Member
#18
ace157 said:
I'm still new to the game, but from what i've read my analysis is this:
TC - is a good indication and a good guideline but by no means the law of betting

Grifter's Gambit - appealing and interesting; particularly to hurry through cold spots in the deck

Also, i just finished "Burning the tables in Las Vegas" by Ian Anderson, and in the Ultimate Gambit section he mentions a "sort of" depth charging method where you would increase your bet only after winning a hand, decrease your bet only after losing a hand, never decrease by more than 50% and never increase by more than parlay. Wat do ya'll think of that?
Sounds good! Need any optimal betting calculated for ya? I have CVCX.

List details.
 

ace157

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#19
jack said:
Sounds good! Need any optimal betting calculated for ya? I have CVCX.

List details.
absolutely, i don't know how the programs work (i have an idea) but i dont know if the above specifications can be accounted for. However, if you would be so kind, give it a go; i would b curious to see how it improves or impairs KO and UBZ2.
 

jack.jackson

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#20
ace157 said:
absolutely, i don't know how the programs work (i have an idea) but i dont know if the above specifications can be accounted for. However, if you would be so kind, give it a go; i would b curious to see how it improves or impairs KO and UBZ2.
I need a little info to go on. Primarily the # of decks, and the general rules.

Surrender? H17orS17, Das or NDAS?

Also, which system?

Bankroll, pen, and spreads, can easily be modified after the sim is complete, so their not essential, for the initial simming.
 
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