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Old February 27th, 2006, 11:49 PM
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Just read through Summers book on percentage play...the strategy chart from him is different...has percentage play been computer tested with millions of hands to determine effectiveness...what do you think of it?
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Old February 28th, 2006, 12:51 AM
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What is it? Anyone? The bottom line is that if the basic strategy is incorrect you can write him off. zg
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Old March 14th, 2006, 05:32 PM
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I say a guy playing three hands at a time at $125 per hand and what was unusual was he would never hit 15 OR 16's NO MATTER what the dealer was showing as up card.....He did quite well winning well over $2500 in just two shoes......mabe we should rethink that basic strategy of hitting 16's??????????????
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Old March 14th, 2006, 06:06 PM
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"Rethink" it? Are you serious? zg
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Old March 14th, 2006, 07:04 PM
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I say a guy playing three hands at a time at $125 per hand and what was unusual was he would never hit 15 OR 16's NO MATTER what the dealer was showing as up card.....He did quite well winning well over $2500 in just two shoes......mabe we should rethink that basic strategy of hitting 16's??????????????
Open www.blackjack-scams.com/html/prog__systems.html and scroll down to the paragraph on Empirical Evidence.

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Old March 15th, 2006, 10:21 PM
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I say a guy playing three hands at a time at $125 per hand and what was unusual was he would never hit 15 OR 16's NO MATTER what the dealer was showing as up card.....He did quite well winning well over $2500 in just two shoes......mabe we should rethink that basic strategy of hitting 16's??????????????
Although it's clear that 15s and 16s should often be hit, I will only hit them against an ace. To me, the mental peace of playing this way more than offsets the anxiety of following Basic Strategy. To each his own I guess!!

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Old March 18th, 2006, 09:55 AM
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I say a guy playing three hands at a time at $125 per hand and what was unusual was he would never hit 15 OR 16's NO MATTER what the dealer was showing as up card.....He did quite well winning well over $2500 in just two shoes......mabe we should rethink that basic strategy of hitting 16's??????????????
If you are only going to play BS, then it hardly matters, weather you hit or stand 16 vs 10. If you play 100 hands at $1 per, you will have $50 left if you surrender, $48 if you hit and $46 if you stay. The choice to stand vs ALL dealer hands is a losing proposition, any way you look at it. He might have won the day you wathced him, but if he continues to play like that, he will have to mortgage his house.

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Old March 18th, 2006, 12:16 PM
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As tedloc noted, 16vT is so close that it doesn't matter. The other combinations of 15 and 16 vs 7,8,9,T,A are however quite important. Standing costs quite a bit of money compared to hitting.
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Old March 18th, 2006, 02:22 PM
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Although it's clear that 15s and 16s should often be hit, I will only hit them against an ace. To me, the mental peace of playing this way more than offsets the anxiety of following Basic Strategy. To each his own I guess!!
"To each his own"? I guess, if you are saying that you get "peace of mind" from playing incorrectly and with a HIGHER housEdge. Can you explain your position further? zg
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Old March 18th, 2006, 04:38 PM
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Although it's clear that 15s and 16s should often be hit, I will only hit them against an ace. To me, the mental peace of playing this way more than offsets the anxiety of following Basic Strategy. To each his own I guess!!
Actually it FAR MORE important to hit hands like 15-16 against 7/8/9 then against 10-A, a typical Asian-ploppy error. Reminds me of the time I was advising Richard Branson at the table (see bold) -

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Branson asked Grif if he knew "the plays, the hitting and the splitting and such?" Never shy, The Grifter leaned in and whispered that he was an expert card counter and would act as his table advisor. "Lovely," replied Branson in a friendly and self-effacing manner. At first Sir Richard lost a few hands and pulled out more money. Soon, Grif’s advice resulted in a rapid series of winning hands for the whale when the count shot upwards and Grif kept instructing him to bet it up. He responded by shaking Grif’s hand every time his advice resulted in a win. He also tipped The Grifter three black chips during the session. The last hand was when Branson had his biggest bet of $600 and got a sixteen against a dealer seven. The Grifter told him to hit.

Branson didn’t want to hit it and asked twice in a shaky tone, "Hit it? Are you sure? Do you really think that we should hit it?"

"Sir Richard," The Grifter replied with a smile, "The best play is to hit and you’ll probably bust, but percentage-wise, it’s riskier not to hit." Branson resolved "Then hit it we shall."
When he drew a four for twenty and won the hand, he leaned over and kissed Grif on the cheek. The Grifter stood up to address the pit, "Now that I’ve been kissed by Sir Richard Branson, do you know what this means? It means that I’m no longer….a Virgin!" Everyone laughed appreciatively, especially Branson. Sir Richard went on to record a $2k win in only fifteen minutes at last night’s session, while The Grifter netted $1,200, plus an additional $300 in tips.

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