stand soft 17 games

Down to my final 3 days in vegas. Been an ok trip. After slow start up 65 units for 52 hours of play. Sadly the games here haven't improved much since sept when i was here. fewer and fewer stand 17 games. The one good thing is the tables aren't crowded and the many casinos in close proximity makes moving around far superior to my home base of AC. (The feb weather is slightly better as well).

I didn't subscribe to CBJN before this trip as I usually do to check conditions (bad move on my part) and am hoping some of you locals will direct me to a few decent stand 17 games with minimums of $25 or below. (of the few I've seen, most are in high limit areas out of my range). Thanks and good cards to all.

kewljason,

You've got mail.

nottooshabby

Vegas

Vegas is doing this also on this H17 thing????? In that case they DESERVE to go broke the dirty rat bastards! I am headed out that way in another month or two. Did you bounce around? Play downtown or on the strip? Just HOW many places as far as ratio are doing a H17 rule there? Is there still double deck S17? Should I even bother going?

There are plenty of S17 games at $25 tables on the strip. It's the $10-$15 tables that are H17.

CBJN is available at The Gamblers Bookstore,(Charleston just west of Maryland Parkway). They usually have it at the other ggambling supply store on Main Street, as well.

I didn't mean to indicate that all Stand soft 17 games have disappeared tarzan, just saying like the crap city you and I regularly play at in jersey, there are more and more hit 17 games each time I visit. But as I said, to me, even if all games turned hit 17, las vegas is still worth the trip to me because of the many many more games in close proximity to each other, which we don't have available. I can walk up and down the strip for 10 hours and actually get 8+ hours of play as opposed to AC where half my time is spent chasing playable games. Plus, I actually still get goose bumps as I peer out the window while my plane approaches LV!! (especially at night) I am sending you a private message listing the places I have played this week with stand 17, courtesy of some of the other members who have graciously shared info. Also, you really should invest in CBJN just before your trip (as I neglected to do) to check current conditions.

There are only 2 casinos left in Vegas with S17 as their regular table game rule and they are The Tropicana and Slots-O-Fun. S17 still exists in almost all VIP rooms throughout Vegas. MGM casinos still have S17 on their main floors at Monte Carlo, Mirage, MGM and Mandalay Bay on some games $25 and up. But even the MGM casinos are slowly weeding them out. Monte Carlo only has a few tables left, the MGM and Mirage is down to just one pit, Mandalay Bay also still has a few and lately during the week there you can find them at $15. Other than that, the rule has gone the way of the dinosaur in Vegas, its a real shame but what do you expect from Vegas they love to gouge their customers. I bet it won't be long before all the MGM casinos go totally to H17.

So what's next?

6:5 BJ everywhere?

whats next?

hopefully someday soon the geniuses that run the casinos will take a look at their profit reports which continue to drop month after month and realize they need to offer better games!! and it's not just blackjack. You used to be able to find full pay video poker 9/6 fairly regularly which offered the player playing perfect strategy a 99.54% return. (add in comps and cashback point and this is a longterm winner, and good blackjack cover) then 8/5 became the standard (97.28% return). This is when I stopped playing. now I see 7/5 which I dont even know what the return is. (probably 95%).
Blackjack hit soft 17, 6-5 ect. and guess what. the casinos are empty compared to just 2 years ago. Trump Taj Mahal has a brand new tower of all suites that sits empty each night. The casinos are empty. The buffet is closed for the winter months except on weekends. Trump entertainment is expected to file for bankrupcy this week. This week I am in Vegas and although I dont follow the corporate profit reports as closely, I am reasonable sure its the same situation. I know the casinos are empty compared to my previous trips. Hey Try offering a better game!! bring in more people. Even if you make just a bit less off each person. What about there wifes, girlfriends, boyfriends, ect that are playing slots? what about the extra money being spent in restuarants and gift shops? Why haven't these Jack-A's read Bill Z's book?? maybe it should be on their reading list once they are laid off and have some free time!! ok I feel better now. :laugh:

Casinos offered the same games last year and had record profits. Gaming conditions have as much to do with todays economic slump as a rooster crowing has to do with the sunrise.

not true! Atlantic city DIDN'T have record profits!!. 2008 revenue fell more than 8% after 28 consecutive years of growth. In Atlantic city in february 2008 only the 4 harrah's properties were hitting soft 17. Today 9 of the 12 casino's have tables hitting soft 17!

Given the above - (which I think is indeed true) how badly are casinos feeling it in terms of competition to lure customers?

Ive heard from at least two people (what I would consider to be medium rollers) who have been getting also sorts of crazy great offers to come in and spend their money at various places.

I wonder if casinos are prioritising these customers as their target market? rather than playing with us at the lower end of town.

cheers

Ringy

I'm as "low roller" and I know my offers have greatly improved. I am currently wrapping up a 10 day 9 night vegas trip in which all but one night where comped at mgm properties. 4 nights each at 2 differnet properties. (I was unable to get comped on valentines day) These offers are based on my play last september when my betting unit was only $15. ($15-$150 spread)

In Atalntic city I have always received low roller offers of comped rooms sunday-thursday sept thru may (no summer months) now I receive offers for any night of the week all year long. These two senerios clearly demostrate how much the casinos are hurting.

Yes, the casinos are hurting. But its not because of the conditions of their games. You can't possibly be blaming the decline in AC on the casinos starting to hit soft 17. Can you?

Not exclusively, no of course not. I'm just saying its not helping them. Business sense says if what you are doing isn't working you offer something to bring people back, No?

BTW they are changing BJ games to 6-5, hit soft 17 for a bigger house edge. Why haven't they added a triple 0 green spot to the roulette wheel? lol

Tropicana

Last time I was at the Tropicana in Vegas it was H17 except at a $25 table. This was during the day on a weekday.

The S17's are there, and not too rare, but only at $25+. Time to turn green!