first base strategy

[jim davis]

Has anyone heard of any practical first base strategy ? I knew of one where if there was more than 50% ten value cards on the current hand and the last card dealt was also a 10, then bet maximum on the next hand on the assumption that you will be on first base and the first card dealt for the new hand will be a 10 and I think you have an 8% advantage if your first card is a 10.

The theory is that the 10's will clump due to a non random shuffle.

But I think the auto shuffling machines ensure a random shuffle so I dont think this will work anymore.

Any comments will be appreciated.

[bjcount]

Originally Posted by jim davis

Has anyone heard of any practical first base strategy ? I knew of one where if there was more than 50% ten value cards on the current hand and the last card dealt was also a 10, then bet maximum on the next hand on the assumption that you will be on first base and the first card dealt for the new hand will be a 10 and I think you have an 8% advantage if your first card is a 10.

The theory is that the 10's will clump due to a non random shuffle.

But I think the auto shuffling machines ensure a random shuffle so I dont think this will work anymore.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Hmm is that some type of new 10's glue to keep them clumped due to a random or non random shuffle? I need to find some of that.

BJC

[EasyRhino]

It's bull. There's no magic static electricity on ten cards that can make them stick together. You need to get real information about the composition of the remaining cards (like card counting)

[SleightOfHand]

Originally Posted by EasyRhino

It's bull. There's no magic static electricity on ten cards that can make them stick together. You need to get real information about the composition of the remaining cards (like card counting)

The extra ink makes them stick! Its true!

[jim davis]

The theory was that if someone was shuffling 6 decks, the shuffle would not be random since the way the dealer picks up the bust cards and places them in the discard tray, the 10's would clump together since most of the bust cards are 10's....and shuffling 6 decks by hand would make the 10's to clump since a human cant perform a perfect shuffle.

Here is a site about first base strategy ( no, its not my site, I live in Connecticut and this guy is in New York or Canada )...he doesn't have an email address so I'm not sure if its a scam.

But if there's a shuffle machine, Im not sure any first base strategy will work

http://firstbaseblackjack.com/

[shadroch]

That web site is 98% bullshit. He is right that someone sitting at first base can gain an advantage at certain times, and those times are identifialble. Only not the way he is suggesting. Only way that system will make you any money is by selling the system itself.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by jim davis

The theory was that if someone was shuffling 6 decks, the shuffle would not be random since the way the dealer picks up the bust cards and places them in the discard tray, the 10's would clump together since most of the bust cards are 10's...

That doesn’t make sense. Bust cards aren’t always going to be tens. I’ve busted plenty of hands with a 7-9 so that would dilute the alleged clumping. And even if all the bust cards were tens, you still have to account for the cards that make up the hand which are most likely not tens. The only way the tens would get clumped together would be if everyone hit their T,T and busted with another T. I’ve never seen anybody hit a hard 20 so I would have to say this strategy is a total scam.

Originally Posted by jim davis

...and shuffling 6 decks by hand would make the 10's to clump since a human cant perform a perfect shuffle.

That's not true. I've seen people who can perform a perfect shuffle (sometimes called a Faro shuffle) and I can come pretty close myself. And even if the shuffle isn't perfect it can still break up the alleged clumps since most casinos use multiple riffles and at least one strip. Forget about all this clumping nonsense. It's not effective.

-Sonny-

[QFIT]

Whenever you see site that says "The books are wrong," you know you have found a scam.

[FLASH1296]

"Stuff & Nonsense"

"Bunkum"

"Poppycock"

Complete and utter b*llsh*t"

[jim davis]

I'm not promoting this first base theory, I'm just trying to find out if anyone has used it.

As far as to what has been posted :

1. The average dealer can not perform a perfect shuffle every time, maybe close to it, but not perfect, especially after they've been dealing for 6 hours in an 8 hour shift.

2.Obviously not all bust cards are 10's...thats why on the previous hand, you look for at least 50% 10 value cards plus the last card being dealt is also a 10 value....then bet max on next hand looking for a 10 on the first card dealt to first base on the next hand which would give you about a 13 % edge..

3. Seems like everyone who posted expects this to win every hand.....not gonna happen.......just looking for that small edge.

4. Also, observe a table and make an imaginary bet to see if the method shoes a profit over 4 or 5 hands. If so, sit down, otherwise move on....but this may be a problem since you have to sit on first base and someone may be sitting there. If someone is sitting there, dont waste time observing since you cant sit at first base anyway. Only observe tables where first base is open.

5. I used this method in Vegas when I lived there and had moderate success before I had to move to New England. Just wondering if anyone else had used it.

6. The guy selling the method on that web site is probably selling some other method, not the method I described above......and it looks like the Bernie Madoff method of blackjack. I'd stay away.