Double Deck

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sneakykid

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Sup everyone, i been doing zen for 6D, but I found a double deck game I might be interested in...

DD
Pen...I counted 56 cards before cut off card came out...had 5 players plus dealer
It says double any first 2 pairs
Split aces up to one card only
S17
Split any pairs
$10 min

Is this a beatable game?
Should I use zen for this game or something else?
How would I do true count?
How do I spread?
How to bet according to count?

Bankroll is only $1500 ( I know its small but I gotta start off somewhere)

Thanks
 
Mimosine

Mimosine

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sneakykid said:
DD
Pen...I counted 56 cards before cut off card came out...had 5 players plus dealer
It says double any first 2 pairs
Split aces up to one card only
S17
Split any pairs
Is this a beatable game?
Should I use zen for this game or something else?
Bankroll is only $1500 ( I know its small but I gotta start off somewhere)
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This game would be VERY good except that the PEN is a lousy 50%. Worse if you can't play this game with closer to only 1 other person at the table, the most you'll get out is 3 rounds per shuffle.

The game is beatable. based on your BR, your max bet should be somewhere between 15-25 depending on how much you value the money.
To beat the game as written you will need a big spread and bigger BR.
A 1-4 spread heads up should be enough, though don't expect to pay the bills with your winnings of less than $7-8/hr. If there are 2 or more people at the table you will need a bigger spread and again, with such poor pen, maybe you can't even beat it.

ZEN is perfect for this. No other system is going to help you overcome only playing 50% of the cards.

Find a 6D game that you can Wong into and max bet say $20.
 
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sneakykid

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Sonny said:
Sounds like a 50% DD game with a full table. Don't bother counting it.

-Sonny-
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what about heads up?



Mimosine said:
This game would be VERY good except that the PEN is a lousy 50%. Worse if you can't play this game with closer to only 1 other person at the table, the most you'll get out is 3 rounds per shuffle.

Heads up or one other person should be good huh? i think we had 5 players and he had 3 rounds...

The game is beatable. based on your BR, your max bet should be somewhere between 15-25 depending on how much you value the money.
To beat the game as written you will need a big spread and bigger BR.
A 1-4 spread heads up should be enough, though don't expect to pay the bills with your winnings of less than $7-8/hr. If there are 2 or more people at the table you will need a bigger spread and again, with such poor pen, maybe you can't even beat it.

max bet 15-25 on a 10 table? wouldnt that be almost a break even game, i know i dont have much of a bankroll but can i use like 10-40?

so heads up use 1-4 how would you spread with 2 more people or 1 more person? i usually like playing with no more than 2 more people.

ZEN is perfect for this. No other system is going to help you overcome only playing 50% of the cards.

how would i do the TC?

Find a 6D game that you can Wong into and max bet say $20.

I just don't like to wong, i know i should since my bankroll is so small...
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sneakykid

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jack said:
If you can get 50%+ pen, and can DAS,(.20) I would play it, w/5 or less players.
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the table max is 5. so bascially play with anyone?

wouldnt it be better to play with like only 1 other person? or heads up?
 
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White Guy

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Pay Close attention if the table max is 5 they may only deal more cards when there are more people. Meaning the pen may even be less than 50% when there are less than 5 there. I have seen this done at a few places. Beats the DD around here all I have is 50% pen H17 garbage.
 
jimbiggs

jimbiggs

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If you spread agressively 1 to 8, you can get two units/100 off this game. But with a BR so small, you probably shouldn't bet more than $20 as your max bet. If you're planning on adding to your BR later, maybe think of it as a virtual BR. I started off with $2,000 BR, but used a virtual BR of $10,000 because I planned to add more later.

That being said, if this were the only game available to me, the only reason I would play it would be to get comped rooms for free vacation getaways. A lot of APs see poor pen. games as a waste of time.
 
ihate17

ihate17

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penetration is dependent

Sometimes the pen at one casino varies tremendously.
I know a casino where you can get between 50-80% pen on day and graveyard shifts, really dealer dependent.

On swing there is a constant 50-60% with every single dealer on these DD games.

What this tells me is that the person in charge of swing shift is a stickler for bad penetration and makes sure his dealers follow his instructions, while the other shifts do not find this important.

This is not uncommon but it can change quickly with a change in supervisors, so constant evaluations are important.

At this particular casino I will often play the two shifts where you can find decent pen and if staying there sleep, eat and go other places during swing.

ihate17
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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sneakykid said:
the table max is 5. so bascially play with anyone?

wouldnt it be better to play with like only 1 other person? or heads up?
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Ya, but what's better is not always an option. And whats an option, is not always better. If youre a beginner counter, this is probably a better option, because it slows down the game, which helps avoid making mistakes. One of the bigest mistakes, beginers could make is going heads up against the dealers, at a high pace, betting 5x the action, when they're not ready. If its availiable and you're ready, by all means, do it!
 
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moo321

moo321

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You don't have enough of a bankroll to play $10 min double deck. If you want to overbet your bankroll to take a shot at it, I would recommend a spread of 1*$10 to 2*$40. Be aggressive in the high counts and you have the best shot at waking up with a bankroll.
 
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