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[Mr.M]

The surveillance department. I was at #### Casino for an amount of time and know how the other half lives. I am looking just share information. I love the idea of conning the con man. Not to offend anybody, remember my lingo for now is still surveillance and how they view counters. I understand it's about taking advantage of numbers, probabilities, bet spread, and decisions based on arithmetic, and the Ebb and flow of Blackjack game.

The Casino's are really harmful and just allow it. It's about time that the small people got back. Any questions just post them. I will do my best.

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by MGMSUKSFUKRBBJABJO

The surveillance department. I was at MGM Grand Casino for an amount of time and know how the other half lives. I am looking just share information. I love the idea of conning the con man. Not to offend anybody, remember my lingo for now is still surveillance and how they view counters. I understand it's about taking advantage of numbers, probabilities, bet spread, and decisions based on arithmetic, and the Ebb and flow of Blackjack game.

The Casino's are really harmful and just allow it. It's about time that the small people got back. Any questions just post them. I will do my best.

MGM,
Welcome aboard.

Why not start out and tell us some interesting stories?

CP

[Finn Dog]

Welcome MGMSUKSFUKRBBJABJO,

Could you please tell us some of the signs you'd look for when deciding on your own without a call from the pit to run a skills check?

Best regards,

FD

[Mr.M]

I am sure most of you know, it may educate a few people. Well the story is 1 out 3-4-5 operators look for card counters. The bigger rooms have the smarter people because money talks. Few surveillance operators really try to catch card counters.I also worked in a small room, and its about the same, about 1 per 3-4-5 agents. Most, not all surveillance bosses and operators have a security background. They look for suspicious people, thats the first red flag. Some look for nothing, just sit and talk, because the more work you do the more trouble youre likely to get in. Walking around doing nothing but looking, big red flag. I worked at a high place, but if you at under $500 and net win of $5 to 7,000 they won't even notice. Unless you have the bloundhound CSM. Being on the inside, its not that educated. We used a BJ survey to check for card counters, it was and is the final word, even though the operator knows he is a counter. But the Execs want paperwork showing it, so BJ Survey is the final word. The Execs don't understand the talk, so the knowledged Surv Execs know what they are talking about, but the SR. Exec wants to see the paperwork. I am basically trying to give ways to get in and out fast, make your money. If you are into the comps and play, eventually they will get you. Just what I have seen, unless surveillance is more ignorant than I thought.

I can only go from 6 years of big room surveillance and 1 year of small room exepireince, I dont know what legal deal is if I print to many names of casinos so I am not find out. I dont know if these casinos can legally do anything to me, I know, like any employee you just sign the papers or you don't get the job. I didn't read the legal bull yet. I am going to check into it.

If you read the unedited version, sorry, smoking up!

[Mr.M]

Yes, certainly. Looking at the game intently, a hat, Anything trying to cover your appearance, water bottle is the killer, throw them away, stacks of red, green, black. Then some operators are able to spot a counter out with that. But if they have other bullshit to do, calls form slots, security, paperwork, reports, tape change, this and that. You have a solid chance, not solid but better. The best thing in my opinion is just go in regular and get in and out 20 to 30 min max. Draw as little attention as possible, and try to avoid the major signs. Go on Holiday weekends, weekends, or Tue through Thurs. Rooms are down to a bare minimum. I think its hard counting and talking, I sure couldn't in the surveillance room, what I mean, is if you go on other days you better know how to talk and count to avoid being found. Again just based on my small experience.

[Mr.M]

I remember a very big name counter hit the ### for $40,000 to $50,000 on a holiday weekend. I need ti check legal if I can print his name, he may not want it printed. I had the intial call, watched the game live, zoomed on his face real fast. Nobody I knew, I think I did a good job spotting counters if I watched them. His frst play which was live was very short, we need a certain amount of hands to determine in the big places, small places are different. They dont want or need any paperwork, just get the **** out. They are tough becaue once youre spotted, the bloodhonds smell blood, staw away for a bit and come back a different normal apperance.The last 2 plays of this CC were watched off of a tape, again I need to check with my legal rights as to what I can say or can't say. They dont train hard on faces, again, you always have the 1 nut job who knows everything and he will know him. My boss was just there for the money, he/she was the Asst. Mngr so he wasnt educated. I knew he was counting, but couldnt prove it, . they flagged the account but he didnt play Sunday. He did in 2 days, crucial also is the time when the Main supervisor works, he is usually the one who knows more. The asst.s are there for the paycheck, they will respond when called, I also need to check into legal laws if I can type the days off of a supervisor.

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by MGMSUKSFUKRBBJABJO

I remember a very big name counter hit the MGM for $40,000 to $50,000 on a holiday weekend. I need ti check legal if I can print his name, he may not want it printed. I had the intial call, watched the game live, zoomed on his face real fast. Nobody I knew, I think I did a good job spotting counters if I watched them. His frst play which was live was very short, we need a certain amount of hands to determine in the big places, small places are different. They dont want or need any paperwork, just get the **** out. They are tough becaue once youre spotted, the bloodhonds smell blood, staw away for a bit and come back a different normal apperance.The last 2 plays of this CC were watched off of a tape, again I need to check with my legal rights as to what I can say or can't say. They dont train hard on faces, again, you always have the 1 nut job who knows everything and he will know him. My boss was just there for the money, he/she was the Asst. Mngr so he wasnt educated. I knew he was counting, but couldnt prove it, . they flagged the account but he didnt play Sunday. He did in 2 days, crucial also is the time when the Main supervisor works, he is usually the one who knows more. The asst.s are there for the paycheck, they will respond when called, I also need to check into legal laws if I can type the days off of a supervisor.

Well, that is very interesting so far. However much of what I expected. Take care not to name individuals or say anything that may bring trouble upon you.

CP

[shadroch]

Was part of your job writing up reports on what you observed? I'm guessing here that English is not your native language. Which casino did you work at?
More importantly,why are you afraid of legal ramifications? This is a public board and your identity is hidden.

[Finn Dog]

Originally Posted by MGMSUKSFUKRBBJABJO

The best thing in my opinion is just go in regular and get in and out 20 to 30 min max. Draw as little attention as possible, and try to avoid the major signs

Does not using a Player's Card at Green draw automatic suspicion from the pit or the eye?

[Brock Windsor]

what are your thoughts on wearing sunglasses instead of a hat? Does it draw more attention or less with all the poker players wearing shades?
BW