To the girl I met counting cards downtown

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#1
I am not sure if this belongs here or in the LV forum. But here we go.

You: A girl, early 20's from WA, staying at the Plaza on your spring break. You joined me for DD blackjack at a joint downtown with good rules and pen.

I was going about my business, using a gentle, but profitable spread with some cover betting thrown in.

You spread from 5 to 2x 45 when the count got quite high. I give you a knowing look as you throw those massive bets out there, as I know what you're up to. Your mildly embarrassed look confirmed you knew that I knew what you were doing. The smart thing to do would have been to not give you that tell, but I couldn't help it. I've never met another counter in real life so it was tough to hide my reaction.

Predictably, you ask the dealer how much you need for insurance as the dealer shows an Ace vs. your two massive bets that got checks play called.

I have no choice but to insure also. Good thing the other people at the table were also hoping for a dealer BJ and all took insurance, so I didn't stand out. Boom, dealer blackjack. Very few small cards came out, so you predictably backed down your bet.

You proceeded to make small talk, asking us where we are from, where we are staying, etc. I mention that the BJ where I was playing was very poor (Excalibur) which was a big mistake. You go on to mention that the "MGM properties" near me have good games "if you wong in."

First, DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Playing like this will not be tolerated for long, especially at this store. A monster spread like this is begging to be backed off, and fast. This isn't WA state, maybe they tolerate that on DD games there, but not here.

Second, YOU KNEW I WAS COUNTING. And you knew I knew you were counting. There were other tables open, you should yield to the AP who was there first, right? I don't want your foolish spread to get the Eye watching my table all day.

Third, don't EVER, and I mean EVER, use terminology like "wong in" at a blackjack table. Period. That is the epitome of stupidity. Lucky no floorperson was in earshot when you let that slip out. Fortunately for you, I don't think the dealer knew enough English to care about what you were saying.

And finally, it was my pleasure to wong out on you at a heavily negative count. I am not eating cards for your benefit. Although I wish I would have stuck around to see the heat come down on you, as it almost certainly would have. But as it was, I had a good win for the session and unlike you, had no interest in being backed off from one of the most playable small stakes casinos in LV.

Get a clue. Sure, you know the technical points of winning blackjack. But playing in the real world is something entirely different. Your tactic would have been okay, if you left after that shoe. But somehow, I don't think you did.

And somehow I doubt the female PCs cut you any slack cause you're a girl. I wish I would have stuck around to see you get backed off. Even if I got made too as colateral damage, I would have loved to see it.

Don't take any of this personally, you seemed like a nice enough kid. But you need to learn some of the finer points of advantage play. There's more to it than spreading and taking insurance at high counts. A lot more.
 

kewljason

Well-Known Member
#5
Blue Efficacy said:
I don't want your foolish spread to get the Eye watching my table all day.
That is the epitome of stupidity. .
And finally, it was my pleasure to wong out on you at a heavily negative count.
Although I wish I would have stuck around to see the heat come down on you,
Don't take any of this personally, you seemed like a nice enough kid.

You called her foolish, stupid, said it was a pleasure leave her and wished misfortune on her. Why would she possibly take any of it personally? :laugh:
 
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Blue

Blue Efficacy said:
I am not sure if this belongs here or in the LV forum. But here we go.

You: A girl, early 20's from WA, staying at the Plaza on your spring break. You joined me for DD blackjack at a joint downtown with good rules and pen.

I was going about my business, using a gentle, but profitable spread with some cover betting thrown in.

You spread from 5 to 2x 45 when the count got quite high. I give you a knowing look as you throw those massive bets out there, as I know what you're up to. Your mildly embarrassed look confirmed you knew that I knew what you were doing. The smart thing to do would have been to not give you that tell, but I couldn't help it. I've never met another counter in real life so it was tough to hide my reaction.

Predictably, you ask the dealer how much you need for insurance as the dealer shows an Ace vs. your two massive bets that got checks play called.

I have no choice but to insure also. Good thing the other people at the table were also hoping for a dealer BJ and all took insurance, so I didn't stand out. Boom, dealer blackjack. Very few small cards came out, so you predictably backed down your bet.

You proceeded to make small talk, asking us where we are from, where we are staying, etc. I mention that the BJ where I was playing was very poor (Excalibur) which was a big mistake. You go on to mention that the "MGM properties" near me have good games "if you wong in."

First, DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Playing like this will not be tolerated for long, especially at this store. A monster spread like this is begging to be backed off, and fast. This isn't WA state, maybe they tolerate that on DD games there, but not here.

Second, YOU KNEW I WAS COUNTING. And you knew I knew you were counting. There were other tables open, you should yield to the AP who was there first, right? I don't want your foolish spread to get the Eye watching my table all day.

Third, don't EVER, and I mean EVER, use terminology like "wong in" at a blackjack table. Period. That is the epitome of stupidity. Lucky no floorperson was in earshot when you let that slip out. Fortunately for you, I don't think the dealer knew enough English to care about what you were saying.

And finally, it was my pleasure to wong out on you at a heavily negative count. I am not eating cards for your benefit. Although I wish I would have stuck around to see the heat come down on you, as it almost certainly would have. But as it was, I had a good win for the session and unlike you, had no interest in being backed off from one of the most playable small stakes casinos in LV.

Get a clue. Sure, you know the technical points of winning blackjack. But playing in the real world is something entirely different. Your tactic would have been okay, if you left after that shoe. But somehow, I don't think you did.

And somehow I doubt the female PCs cut you any slack cause you're a girl. I wish I would have stuck around to see you get backed off. Even if I got made too as colateral damage, I would have loved to see it.

Don't take any of this personally, you seemed like a nice enough kid. But you need to learn some of the finer points of advantage play. There's more to it than spreading and taking insurance at high counts. A lot more.
Very interesting....keep the posts coming of your vegas Vacation ;)

CP
 

Mimosine

Well-Known Member
#7
i think we should have a 'missed connections' portion on this forum!!!

everytime i spot a counter, and i've spotted quite a few, I always send a message to rhino to see if i've finally found him.

last guy was spreading 2X10 to 2X75 in a sweaty DD game. It couldn't have been rhino, because he was backed off at that joint trying to wong in with something like 2 X 100 on their shoe game.....

the rhino hunt continues.....
 

matt21

Well-Known Member
#8
I have to admit - i also thought that this was going to be "hey here's my number please call me" - thread. shame it was a complete tell-off
instead :grin:

great post :)
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#9
matt21 said:
I have to admit - i also thought that this was going to be "hey here's my number please call me" - thread. shame it was a complete tell-off
instead :grin:

great post :)
It would be convenient to have a card counting girlfriend, hmm...

But the less they know about it, the better I say. I'd rather just impress her with my wins when she goes and plays slots or VP :grin: Gotta keep the mystique there.
 

johndoe

Well-Known Member
#10
matt21 said:
I have to admit - i also thought that this was going to be "hey here's my number please call me" - thread. shame it was a complete tell-off
instead :grin:
Same here! It just goes to show, if some counting chick is hoping to catch our eye, she'd better know how to play properly.
 

Pelerus

Well-Known Member
#11
Blue Efficacy said:
Third, don't EVER, and I mean EVER, use terminology like "wong in" at a blackjack table. Period. That is the epitome of stupidity. Lucky no floorperson was in earshot when you let that slip out. Fortunately for you, I don't think the dealer knew enough English to care about what you were saying.
You missed an opportunity to discreetly inform her of her folly by employing some AP terminology of your own...

Girl: "The MGM properties near me have good games if you wong in."

You: "Really? How's the penetration there? Was it deep enough for you?"

Girl: "uuuhhh..." :eek:

You: "I've actually heard it's quite shallow. But I can show you some real good penetration at another place, so deep it will blow your mind."

Girl: :eek:

That would have learned her. :devil:
 
#12
Blue Efficacy said:
I am not sure if this belongs here or in the LV forum. But here we go.

You: A girl, early 20's from WA, staying at the Plaza on your spring break. You joined me for DD blackjack at a joint downtown with good rules and pen.

...

Don't take any of this personally, you seemed like a nice enough kid. But you need to learn some of the finer points of advantage play. There's more to it than spreading and taking insurance at high counts. A lot more.
Unfortunately you flunked too. There is exactly one store Downtown that deals DD with good rules and pen, and now you have identified both yourself and another counter to them. Good job. :whip:

So did she have big tits?
 

bj bob

Well-Known Member
#13
Blue Efficacy said:
It would be convenient to have a card counting girlfriend, hmm...

I'd rather just impress her with my wins when she goes and plays slots or VP :grin: Gotta keep the mystique there.
Wins huh? I know that's code for some male anatomical body part, but I haven't quite figured it out yet. I'll get back to you after a few hours checking out Grey's Anatomy.
 

Pelerus

Well-Known Member
#14
Automatic Monkey said:
Unfortunately you flunked too. There is exactly one store Downtown that deals DD with good rules and pen, and now you have identified both yourself and another counter to them. Good job. :whip:
Not at all - if the PB says anything, you simply respond,

"What? Card counting? I was talking about my ****, buddy." :grin:
 

johndoe

Well-Known Member
#15
Blue Efficacy said:
It would be convenient to have a card counting girlfriend, hmm...
I do. She got me into it, actually, but I'm more proficient than her now (practiced/studied more). Some nice teamwork opportunities exist, and we're trying to develop some more. Working as a team is also good for the relationship in general. But we don't share bankrolls yet. :)
 

Brock Windsor

Well-Known Member
#16
Blue Efficacy said:
You: A girl, early 20's from WA, staying at the Plaza on your spring break. You joined me for DD blackjack at a joint downtown with good rules and pen.

You spread from 5 to 2x 45 when the count got quite high. .
So she probably won't be back to LV until next spring break and she's a nickel player that has a trip to pay for. I would have advised she hit it harder then go to the next joint when/if she's backed off. She's not going to run out of places to play in a week and no one will remember a banned nickel player a year from now.
BW
 

gibsonlp33stl

Well-Known Member
#17
I think you're probably underestimating how rare female counters in their early 20's are...probably takes a lot, A LoT, to get backed off. Still, she obviously needs some improvement. But if she didn't plan on being back for a long time, she was playing a more profitable short-term game...
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#18
Automatic Monkey said:
Unfortunately you flunked too. There is exactly one store Downtown that deals DD with good rules and pen, and now you have identified both yourself and another counter to them. Good job. :whip:

So did she have big tits?
Yeah maybe I did flunk that part, oops. But you certainly just helped them out by saying that, thanks.

And she was very average looking.

However I did find at least one other shop downtown with good rules and pen.
 
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EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
#19
Dude, a little too much info in there that could identify the counter. Not cool.

And as for critiquing her spread... well, that's about the spread I like to go with on a DD game (with a larger unit) when I'm trying to time how long it takes to get backed off.

And why were YOU disparaging the blackjack at any property based on anything besides voodoo suspicion?! Next thing you know the dealer is going to start deferring to you when others ask for play advice, and then you'll be known as the "smart guy" at the table. You don't want to be that guy.
 
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