Conspiracy Theory #1&2

[zengrifter]

Here are the two top conflicting conspiracy theories -

Conspiracy Theory #1 – On 911, nineteen disgruntled goat herders from the other side of the world hidden in a dark cave plan and then orchestrates the most devastating attack upon the most highly budgeted and dominating, impenetrable defense system the world has ever known, and succeeds with hardly any money and armed only with razor blades; thus forcing that nation to alter its way of life more so than from its previous World Wars and major military conflicts. In effect, goat herders with razor blades were mightier than all enemies combined from WWI; WWII; Korean War; Vietnam War; etc…

OR

Conspiracy Theory #2 – Some of the world’s richest and most powerful individuals with vast resources, top notch organizational abilities, direct access to US military apparatus and the most experienced and notorious clandestine operation units on the planet decide to implement the 911 attack to stir up necessary support from the American people in order to invade Middle Eastern countries and move closer to their goal of absolute control of oil markets, creating record shattering profits, establishing a long standing intimidation stance in the region (permanent US military bases in the region) and protection of oil resources and long term profits. Corporate hegemony or better known as Benito Mussolini put it, fascism.

Occam's Razor* may apply here. zg

* Given two equally predictive theories, choose the one that has fewer unnecesary assumptions (or is "simpler").

[zengrifter]

For Aslan. zg

[moo321]

They weren't ignorant goat herders. The Saudis have a bunch of oil money.

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Originally Posted by moo321

They weren't ignorant goat herders. The Saudis have a bunch of oil money.

With which they invest in U.S. republican leaders.

Not half witted Islamic fundamentalists living in caves at 15,000 ft. above sea level.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Here are the two top conflicting conspiracy theories -

Conspiracy Theory #1 – On 911, nineteen disgruntled goat herders from the other side of the world hidden in a dark cave plan and then orchestrates the most devastating attack upon the most highly budgeted and dominating, impenetrable defense system the world has ever known, and succeeds with hardly any money and armed only with razor blades; thus forcing that nation to alter its way of life more so than from its previous World Wars and major military conflicts. In effect, goat herders with razor blades were mightier than all enemies combined from WWI; WWII; Korean War; Vietnam War; etc…

OR

Conspiracy Theory #2 – Some of the world’s richest and most powerful individuals with vast resources, top notch organizational abilities, direct access to US military apparatus and the most experienced and notorious clandestine operation units on the planet decide to implement the 911 attack to stir up necessary support from the American people in order to invade Middle Eastern countries and move closer to their goal of absolute control of oil markets, creating record shattering profits, establishing a long standing intimidation stance in the region (permanent US military bases in the region) and protection of oil resources and long term profits. Corporate hegemony or better known as Benito Mussolini put it, fascism.

Occam's Razor* may apply here. zg

* Given two equally predictive theories, choose the one that has fewer unnecesary assumptions (or is "simpler").

Well, you certainly may be on to something in attributing the towers tragedy to "some of the world's richest and most powerful individuals with vast resources." Where you have always lost me was to suggest that the President and those around him, the media, the CIA, etc., etc. were all complicit in it. It takes a certain depravity of mind and soul to perpetrate such a deed, which most of the people described simply don't have, but it is nothing I would put past the world's richest and most powerful individuals. There collective souls were lost long ago which explains why they don't use their resources to completely obliterate poverty and starvation from the planet. They can use some of these people, not all, to aid them in their plots. They can use some part of the CIA or NSA, but I doubt seriously they could use an entire organization. I mean, forgive me, but there are some principled Americans left, don't you think? C'mon now.

Consider this. Who owned the world trade center. I'd be terribly surprised if it wasn't under the ownership and control of these rich men. Okay. How hard is it to sneak explosives into a building that you own and control? It's hardly even clandestine. Yes, they could have been aware of, even helped finance, Osama's plot, but they could have very easily, with little chance of exposure, helped the scenario along a bit with their secretly planted explosives. So now you made me say it. But I doubt ever so seriously that thousands, even hundreds, were complicit in the bombing. Georgie, as dumb as a sack of bricks, still is a principled man IMO and would find such a conspiracy beyond his mental and emotional wherewithal to perform, much less comprehend. Cheney, well that's another story.

PS--I'm still not saying that a bombing took place. I am simply stating that it is plausible, but not in the way conspiracy people are touting it.

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Aslan,

From what I've read and viewed the WTC's I and II were "white elephants". Low on renters and in desperate need of Asbestos abatement/removal.

Translation: HUGE expensive to bring up to State code which the owners were obliged under the law to perform. All those Asbestos coated I beams, structural trusses, bolts etc. Things that insulate like a mutha flucker but are a pain to upgrade/remove the Asbestos.

In fact all the Asbestos in the buildings is a major reason why the steel members simply couldn't possibly have heated unevenly, weakened and fell apart. I'm no fan of Asbestos but lemme tell ya: it's one hell of an insulator!

So some guy named Silverstein(?) bought the WTC's not long before they came crashing down. Previously he'd over insured them against "terrorist" attacks. Then low and behold?

They come crashing down to the ground. Along with WTC 7 which wasn't even hit by a plane nor suffer major structural damage from the debris of the other two towers falling. WTC 7, a forty plus story building drops in clean free fall from what?

Had to have been rigged.

Silverstein is even quoted as saying something directly to that effect by accident.

"Jewish Lightning". You can quote me on that...

If I had the time I'd give ya the links. maybe later.

For now here's a pic of George H. W. Bush right outside the Texas School Book Depository on Nov., 22, 1963: http://jfkmurdersolved.com/images/bushtsbd.jpg

Copy the picture to disk and open with Microsoft paint. Then enlarge to 150% or so. Sure looks like him.


Cheers!

[aslan]

Originally Posted by AnIrishmannot2brite

Aslan,

From what I've read and viewed the WTC's I and II were "white elephants". Low on renters and in desperate need of Asbestos abatement/removal.

Translation: HUGE expensive to bring up to State code which the owners were obliged under the law to perform. All those Asbestos coated I beams, structural trusses, bolts etc. Things that insulate like a mutha flucker but are a pain to upgrade/remove the Asbestos.

In fact all the Asbestos in the buildings is a major reason why the steel members simply couldn't possibly have heated unevenly, weakened and fell apart. I'm no fan of Asbestos but lemme tell ya: it's one hell of an insulator!

So some guy named Silverstein(?) bought the WTC's not long before they came crashing down. Previously he'd over insured them against "terrorist" attacks. Then low and behold?

They come crashing down to the ground. Along with WTC 7 which wasn't even hit by a plane nor suffer major structural damage from the debris of the other two towers falling. WTC 7, a forty plus story building drops in clean free fall from what?

Had to have been rigged.

Silverstein is even quoted as saying something directly to that effect by accident.

"Jewish Lightning". You can quote me on that...

If I had the time I'd give ya the links. maybe later.

For now here's a pic of George H. W. Bush right outside the Texas School Book Depository on Nov., 22, 1963: http://jfkmurdersolved.com/images/bushtsbd.jpg

Copy the picture to disk and open with Microsoft paint. Then enlarge to 150% or so. Sure looks like him.


Cheers!

I said in my previous post that I thought a rigged explosion was plausible, but that's a far cry from implicating Bush, his cronies, the media at large, the CIA, the NSA, da dah da dah da dah... It is difficult to keep a secret when two people know it. When thousands know it, forget about it. I can see some of the wealthiest individuals in the world engineering something like this. They would have to be privy to the arab plot, which I still believe took place, although it may or may not have taken down the WTC. These people might even be financing Al Quada's operations in part. They would probably have easy access to the WTC to plant whatever they wanted through operatives, who could be private, rogue CIA, or something of that sort. Also, in anattempt to implicate Bush, the theorists propose that the flight downed in PA never took place (tell that to the families) and that a missile, not an aircraft, hit the Pentagon (again tell that to the families). The net thrown is just too broad and impossible to keep secret. If some of the richest individuals in the world were responsible, they apparently wanted to stir up war between the West and the Middle East. I'm sure there are enough plants in the government (under either party's administration) to press/advocate/advise on issues like the war against Iraq. I doubt that George came up with that all by himself, nor do I think he was in on the plot at all. He is extremely principled, a bit of a dunce, and entirely incapable of murdering innocent Americans even on the pretext of saving Western civilization. He just doesn't have it in him. Everyone knows that. He can't be as dense as everyone sees him and at the same time be engineering one of the most brilliant ruses of all time. It doesn't make any sense. No, if there was a bombing of the WTC, it was accomplished with very few people knowing of it, and I wouldn't be surprised if those who participated in it are no longer with us. BTW, the PA and Pentagon crashes could easily have been pulled off by razor wielding arabs. There's plenty of evidence to that effect as well. So what are we left with? The WTC tragedy may have been planned and financed by the same individuals or their descendants who financed the Revolutionary War, the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, the First WW, and the Second WW, and they may have done it either through Al Quada exclusively, or through a parallel plot involving other operatives. So what else is new?

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Not so hard to keep a secret. The media won't jump on the Zapruder film nor either of the Twin Towers and WTC dropping at free fall.

You've got to think just a hair out of the box.

We've all noticed the high amount of pedophiles coming out of the GOP. And we've seen how Skull & Bones initiates juts a select few to their ceremonies to do the bidding of the very wealthy.

What does that tell you. Hello? Anyone home?

Tells me that people in high profile positions, such as newspaper editor, television station owner etc. are subject to extortion. And they get thrown a few bribes for playing the game too.

It is an evil community that hand picks it's henchmen at all levels.

You've probably seen it in business too: Those willing to get really dirty get more promotions and pay raises. Education and initiative helps, but only to a point.

If the powers that be do not consider you ruthless enough you usually won't go all that far in the company. Got to have those pictures of the powerful Senator with sheep and goats.

Especially goats.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by AnIrishmannot2brite

Not so hard to keep a secret. The media won't jump on the Zapruder film nor either of the Twin Towers and WTC dropping at free fall.

You've got to think just a hair out of the box.

We've all noticed the high amount of pedophiles coming out of the GOP. And we've seen how Skull & Bones initiates juts a select few to their ceremonies to do the bidding of the very wealthy.

What does that tell you. Hello? Anyone home?

Tells me that people in high profile positions, such as newspaper editor, television station owner etc. are subject to extortion. And they get thrown a few bribes for playing the game too.

It is an evil community that hand picks it's henchmen at all levels.

You've probably seen it in business too: Those willing to get really dirty get more promotions and pay raises. Education and initiative helps, but only to a point.

If the powers that be do not consider you ruthless enough you usually won't go all that far in the company. Got to have those pictures of the powerful Senator with sheep and goats.

Especially goats.

It takes more than a select few people in key places to perpetrate a scam as large as the one you envision. It takes a bunch of everyday people like you and me to be in on it, and that just ain'ta gonna happen. Put aside your hatred for Bush just a second and you will see how it would be easy for some of the wealthiest individuals in the world to attend to the bombing and coverup without the need for media, Bush, cabinet, CIA, NSA, etc. even being involved. The most these wealthy individuals would have to do is use covert agents (Rogue CIA, hired hands, or other) to plant the bombs, then use media influence to stifle followup investigation, and use influence on Bush (who thinks it's for real) to go after them dirty terrorists, including invasion of Iraq. Without all the complicity that your unbridled hatred of Bush requires, you can have the same scenario play out in a PLAUSIBLE manner. Of course, these wealthy individuals would have to know about the Al Quada plot--heck, they probably helped finance it through some untraceable link to Al Quada. They finance most of the economic turmoil and major wars in the world as it is--why not this one? So, just for a brief moment in time, call off the lynch mob, and realize their are bigger fish to fry.

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

The laws of science and investigation require you to come up with a more plausible explanation for what went down in Dallas 1963 or WTC 9/11, 2001 than mine.

Because believing the official story line is ridiculous.

A lone gun man avoids taking his best shot as the President's motorcade turns into Dealey plaza? Then shoots a target getting ever smaller with an Italian war rifle using twenty year old ammunition?

And the fatal shot blows out the BACK of the president's head???

A shot from the back drives the president backwards and to the left???

And the finishing shot is the furthest away?


Now fast forward: THREE WTC's drop in free fall due to hijackers armed with box cutters? Over insured boondoggles that save the owner a billion each in Asbestos abatement because he has anti terror insurance?

Now if you believe that above scenarios were the result of the official story there is something wrong with your "reasoning".

Regardless of whether you believe the media is complicit or not (hint: they are/were) after you evaluate the above two situations you simply must conclude that the official stories make no sense what so ever.