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Mr.M · #1 March 27th, 2009, 01:39 AM

First with the the count system , I forgot the name. Aces are -1, 2 and 3 are +1, 4-5-6 are +2, 7 +1, 8-9 are 0, and ten value is -2. Is there a simpler version than the one with all the indices( not sure what its called, but thats the term I know) on when to stand and hit and deviate from basic? The version that somebody left the link to was extremely difficult to memorize. Unfortunately having no job and kids I don't have the time to study this and play now. Or am I better off sticking with the Hi Lo that I know?

Secondly I have a $8k bankroll, what is the Best unit bet and bet spread I can use to minimize my losses but allow a possible win of + 300 to 700 factoring in a little toking? Is this even possible?

Also do you walk in with your bankroll till you win what you set your limit, or do you walk out if it just isn't your night. I have been in and out, if the cards aren't oink I leave even if I lose $50 and call it a night or may go to another casino?

Any help would be appreciated. I know I got some answers last time I asked, just trying to get more feedback, knowledge is POWER.

Xur · #2 March 27th, 2009, 01:50 AM

That count is the Zen count. There are indices for the Zen count in both True Count (divide RC by # of decks) then there are also the indices for True Edge (Blackbelt in Blackjack by Arnold Snyder goes over this).

Neither are really simple and as with most indicies take time and effort to memorize.

I am no pro...but if you want to give me the game conditions i can see what cvcx gets and give you a run down of some options...but i'd say 300-700$ wins with an $8k br seems a bit high...tho i guess it depends on how many hours played...

non-self-weighter · #3 March 27th, 2009, 02:18 AM

Hello Mr.M,

You need to read up on standard deviation, and research how that affects short term (one night) and short term (a hundred hours) results. You can easily win or lose 300~700 each night. If you are expecting to average $500 a night playing blackjack, you are out of your mind. With all due respect, if you have no job and take care of kids, you shouldn't be looking for a quick way to make money, especially through gambling.

Mr.M · #4 March 27th, 2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by non-self-weighter

Hello Mr.M,

You need to read up on standard deviation, and research how that affects short term (one night) and short term (a hundred hours) results. You can easily win or lose 300~700 each night. If you are expecting to average $500 a night playing blackjack, you are out of your mind. With all due respect, if you have no job and take care of kids, you shouldn't be looking for a quick way to make money, especially through gambling.

Your probably right, but you only live once. I'm going for broke here. I have a backup plan if this fails so I wont letting my kids starve.

Mr.M · #5 March 27th, 2009, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Xur

That count is the Zen count. There are indices for the Zen count in both True Count (divide RC by # of decks) then there are also the indices for True Edge (Blackbelt in Blackjack by Arnold Snyder goes over this).

Neither are really simple and as with most indicies take time and effort to memorize.

I am no pro...but if you want to give me the game conditions i can see what cvcx gets and give you a run down of some options...but i'd say 300-700$ wins with an $8k br seems a bit high...tho i guess it depends on how many hours played...

6 deck
DD
Stand 17
DAS
Surr.

DDECK
same rules no surr.

Tarzan · #6 March 27th, 2009, 09:41 AM

Just between you, me and the fencepost... an $8000 bankroll is just not enough to make a liveable wage and also have a low enough ROR. Unless you want to spend 70 hours a week at the tables, that is.

Have a back up plan, have "other irons in the fire" and be careful and cautious, sticking to low minimums and only opting to play ideal conditions. I hate to see or hear of anyone busting out and you can be the best counter going but an insufficient bankroll to handle the crazy swings (along with the emotional stablilty to deal with it) is why most don't survive.

I don't want to sound discouraging or make it sound like pounding it out with an $8000 bankroll is impossible, just want you to carefully evaluate the "stats" as far as your money management and hopefully be successful.

InPlay · #7 March 27th, 2009, 11:44 AM

You probally could do just as good as a delivering pizzas. Put your money in a CD for a rainy day or buy lottery tickets and hope to hit it big.

FLASH1296 · #8 March 27th, 2009, 12:16 PM

Tarzan, InPlay, and non-self-weighter are all correct.

Two of the above are professional players and one is a smart novice.

The consensus is that you are not experienced enough to
fully comprehend the risk you are undertaking, and the
virtual impossibility of earning the kind of money you want
to win, without being tossed out of the casino or going broke.

InPlay · #9 March 27th, 2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FLASH1296

Tarzan, InPlay, and non-self-weighter are all correct.

Two of the above are professional players and one is a smart novice.

The consensus is that you are not experienced enough to
fully comprehend the risk you are undertaking, and the
virtual impossibility of earning the kind of money you want
to win, without being tossed out of the casino or going broke.

Thanks for compliament (smart novice) Flash. I caught that post on BJ 21 comparing UBZ 2 with Kiss 3 you could not believe it was so close. Sometimes keeping it simple is the best if you are a smart novice.