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March 30th, 2009, 02:42 PM
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funny thing today... ratholing
Without giving too many specifics I was able to rathole enough cheques in 2 hours today to make the pit think I only had a 1 unit win when in fact I had a 26 unit win. Suffice to say the way it happened was pretty sweet. How much have you squirreled away in one session?
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March 30th, 2009, 02:45 PM
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March 30th, 2009, 04:10 PM
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A couple of units per hour, no more, no less
Guessing that this is a casino that you will be returning to and do not want to be showing a lifetime win in their computer.
If your game shows that you average making $50 per hour, do not rathole more than $100 per hour and do it even if you are losing.
I say this because ratholing too much can be often be spotted and might piss off the pit resulting in their crediting you with every chip they can not account for.
I also say this because if you have a big win, they know you had a big win so you can not hide it all, just a small percentage. You make up for this when you have a losing session by making your loss just a little bigger in their eyes.
Take a chip or two on your restroom breaks, pocket a chip or two when a new player comes in with chips, do the same when someone colors up, a dealer change or when everyone is occupied with something else. In most places, do not pocket black. Most casinos track black and higher chips carefully while really ignoring green and lower, so you pocket green.
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March 30th, 2009, 04:23 PM
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I agree. I stopped ratholing at one point because I didn't want to take too many. It was a session where the wins were steady from the start... was never down at any point.
The stack pretty much stayed the same size while there was a bulge growing in my pocket  
They got me for 32 units last week so its payback.
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March 31st, 2009, 02:41 PM
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On two separate occasions I was absolutely slaughtering a game so I had to start pulling black chips off the table. Usually I take about 10-20 units off.
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March 31st, 2009, 04:02 PM
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Variance and ratholing have nothing to do with eachother
Sometimes you win big, sometimes you lose big, and many times you do something inbetween but overall you land up with a small advantage.
The ratholer will change that small advantage to look like a casino win in the eyes of the casino's computer.
What you do not want to do is rathole like crazy when you are having a big win. You will fool no one at all. If the pit has to order an extra fill because of you, you will piss them off. If they know you have ratholed a ton, they may wonder why and check your game out much more closely.
That is why I said earlier, win or lose, big or small, just take a few chips per hour in those casinos where you are somewhat of a regular. Do it every session. Change that $1,000 win into a $900 win and change that $900 loss into a $1,000 loss but do it slowly over time.
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March 31st, 2009, 04:13 PM
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My ratholing rate is based more off opportunity than how well I'm doing.
Lots of breaks from the table might result in more ratholing.
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March 31st, 2009, 04:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ohbehave
Without giving too many specifics I was able to rathole enough cheques in 2 hours today to make the pit think I only had a 1 unit win when in fact I had a 26 unit win. Suffice to say the way it happened was pretty sweet. How much have you squirreled away in one session?
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You don't think they noticed 25 chips were missing?
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March 31st, 2009, 05:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moo321
On two separate occasions I was absolutely slaughtering a game so I had to start pulling black chips off the table. Usually I take about 10-20 units off.
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This seems crazy to me. You do realize one of the responsibilities of the pit is to keep track of the money. If you are playing a $25 unit and rathole 10-20 units as you say, you are taking up to $500 off the tables! This is excessive! Plus black and up is what they are supposed to track. Better to rathole 4 green than 1 black.
Ihate17 has it exactly right. My hourly EV or win rate is $25-$30. I rathole 2 green chip every hour. This makes me look like a $20-$25 hour long term loser. Thats all you need.
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March 31st, 2009, 06:10 PM
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Do Not Rathole.
As if the Eye and the PIT cannot see what you are doing ! 
This gets you surveilled quickly - and when others "rathole" and they cannot discern who took the chips they relegate them to the known "ratholers", like you.
Ratholing is suspicious behavior as far as the Pit is concerned.
Normal ploppies may take chips off the table but they do not do it surreptitiously.
It also makes the pit critter's jobs just a bit harder and they resent you for it.
Do Not Rathole. At least wear your invisibility cloak when you do so.
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