ZenGrifter interview question

[UncrownedKing]

In the ZenGrifter interview on the site, he mentions something about how ASM's are beatable by understanding how they work. Is it still possible? Are they still somewhat the same as the older models mentioned in the interview(maybe instead of having 3 cycles, they are just broke down into smaller cycles like say 8 or 9?)?

[Mimosine]

Originally Posted by UncrownedKing

In the ZenGrifter interview on the site, he mentions something about how ASM's are beatable by understanding how they work. Is it still possible? Are they still somewhat the same as the older models mentioned in the interview(maybe instead of having 3 cycles, they are just broke down into smaller cycles like say 8 or 9?)?

some people have looked at the patents....

if you can understand the algorithm behind the shuffle then, just like shuffle tracking you could potentially do some damage against these things, but this is by no means a small endeavor that you could devote a few hours a week to. this would require a lot of effort.

first is the shuffle random, or is it based on a set routine (similar to riffle X 3 strip x 1). If it is random, how is the random number generated?

this is as far as i can take this question.

[UncrownedKing]

Interesting. I didn't want to devote THAT much time to it. Maybe a couple of hours as you stated.

[shadroch]

Originally Posted by UncrownedKing

Interesting. I didn't want to devote THAT much time to it. Maybe a couple of hours as you stated.

I always wanted to play golf but didn't feel like devoting a whole afternoon to learning the game well.

[UncrownedKing]

I always wanted to play golf but didn't feel like devoting a whole afternoon to learning the game well.

I certainly am devoting a lot of my time to learn how to be an AP at BJ and counting cards and such. I was saying that the devotion to ASM would not pay as much as counting cards from hand shuffled games.

[Pro21]

If you learn to beat CSMs it will pay far more than card counting ever could.

One of the things pros look for is the ability to play without heat or being thrown out. When you learn to do things other than count the edge usually goes way up, and the heat way down. Casino people have learned to recognize card counting. If you don't look like a card counter they pretty much leave you alone until you win a lot of money. A major part of advantage play is learning to disguise your wins.

[kewljason]

Originally Posted by shadroch

I always wanted to play golf but didn't feel like devoting a whole afternoon to learning the game well.

I have devoted many afternoons trying to learn to play the game of golf well. My golf scores indicate that so far it has eluded me.

[UncrownedKing]

Well has anyone had an experience with beating a ASM(besides the one Zengrifter described in his interview)?

[moo321]

Originally Posted by UncrownedKing

Well has anyone had an experience with beating a ASM(besides the one Zengrifter described in his interview)?

If they do, I hope they won't go into detail here.

[UncrownedKing]

If they do, I hope they won't go into detail here.

I'm not asking how or describe the experience. I was merely asking if anyone has experience with it.