The Dummy on third

[blackchipjim]

I have on rare instances run into complete idiots on third base. The day's sessions were really over and I was just getting ready to leave and found a few chips left in the old pocket so plunked them down on a nearby table in progress. It was quite an experience that took place after the start of another shoe something I rarely fun into. This guy playing third was a total moron and didn't play a hand correctly except the high hands he had to stay all others were played by gutz. I sat in amazment at the guys ability to stay on hands or hit hands that would make a normal counter cry or anyone for that matter. We were winning because of this guy's plays and no one wanted to say a thing. One guy was going to say something about the way he should play but the table shut him up. That will show you that you don't have to know how to play a game to win at it but it sure can help.blackchipjim

[Renzey]

Originally Posted by blackchipjim

I have on rare instances run into complete idiots on third base.

Only in rare instances??? I'm not even surprised any more when players do the strangest things. One consistent quirky play I see almost everywhere is when somebody has 4/4 against a dealer's 4, 5 or 6. When they have 5/3 or 6/2, they just hit it without hesitation. But when they've got 4/4, they instinctively shove an extra bet out there. When the dealer asks if they're doubling or splitting, they pause in uncertain thought, sometimes ask around the table -- then almost invariably hold up 1 finger for the double down. See if you don't find this to be true.

Sometimes I couldn't resist asking whether they'd have doubled if their hand was 5/3. Common replies have been, "That's a whole different hand", or "It's all a matter of feel", etc. I don't think you can get them to ask themselves why they did what they did. Better to stuff the evangelist in you and let it go.

[Katweezel]

Originally Posted by Renzey

Only in rare instances??? I'm not even surprised any more when players do the strangest things. One consistent quirky play I see almost everywhere is when somebody has 4/4 against a dealer's 4, 5 or 6. When they have 5/3 or 6/2, they just hit it without hesitation. But when they've got 4/4, they instinctively shove an extra bet out there. When the dealer asks if they're doubling or splitting, they pause in uncertain thought, sometimes ask around the table -- then almost invariably hold up 1 finger for the double down. See if you don't find this to be true.

Sometimes I couldn't resist asking whether they'd have doubled if their hand was 5/3. Common replies have been, "That's a whole different hand", or "It's all a matter of feel", etc. I don't think you can get them to ask themselves why they did what they did. Better to stuff the evangelist in you and let it go.

So 8 is the confusion number for many of the plopulation, even tho I think 8 is traditionally considered something of a lucky number among the Chinese. I may have a solution: Take a look at 8. It goes nowhere, except back into itself, unlike all the other numbers. If that is not confusing the plop mind, what is?

[blackchipjim]

When I said rare instance I meant complete idiot not just ignorant. I can see a person unaware of the power seat may sit in it just like slipping on the ice. If they sit down to control the whole tables's luck so to speak by sitting there that's a different colored horse. You can tell when they walk up to a game in progress and the way they sit down what you are in for. I have sat at a beginners table just for camoflage but the table was so slow that advantage was lost to time wasted on explainations that floated around the table. blackchipjim

[non-self-weighter]

Originally Posted by blackchipjim

When I said rare instance I meant complete idiot not just ignorant. I can see a person unaware of the power seat may sit in it just like slipping on the ice. If they sit down to control the whole tables's luck so to speak by sitting there that's a different colored horse. You can tell when they walk up to a game in progress and the way they sit down what you are in for. I have sat at a beginners table just for camoflage but the table was so slow that advantage was lost to time wasted on explainations that floated around the table. blackchipjim

jim,

Can you mathematically prove how another player at the table can control your luck by their deviations from BS?

My only preference for the way other people play is based on the count; if the count is positive, I prefer other players stand 100%, and if the count is negative, I prefer other players hit 100%. That is it.

You may expect more support if you post this in Voodoo forum.

[EasyRhino]

Originally Posted by Renzey

Only in rare instances??? I'm not even surprised any more when players do the strangest things. One consistent quirky play I see almost everywhere is when somebody has 4/4 against a dealer's 4, 5 or 6. When they have 5/3 or 6/2, they just hit it without hesitation. But when they've got 4/4, they instinctively shove an extra bet out there. When the dealer asks if they're doubling or splitting, they pause in uncertain thought, sometimes ask around the table -- then almost invariably hold up 1 finger for the double down. See if you don't find this to be true.

Yes! I've seen that, and it makes no damn sense.

Then again, I'm still trying to figure out why so many people play games where the house has a built in advantage against them.

[sagefr0g]

heh, heh, last night i had a guy who wouldn't hit an ace-3, ace-4 for the life of him and of course those hands were gravitating towards him.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Renzey

Only in rare instances??? I'm not even surprised any more when players do the strangest things. One consistent quirky play I see almost everywhere is when somebody has 4/4 against a dealer's 4, 5 or 6. When they have 5/3 or 6/2, they just hit it without hesitation. But when they've got 4/4, they instinctively shove an extra bet out there. When the dealer asks if they're doubling or splitting, they pause in uncertain thought, sometimes ask around the table -- then almost invariably hold up 1 finger for the double down. See if you don't find this to be true.

Sometimes I couldn't resist asking whether they'd have doubled if their hand was 5/3. Common replies have been, "That's a whole different hand", or "It's all a matter of feel", etc. I don't think you can get them to ask themselves why they did what they did. Better to stuff the evangelist in you and let it go.

Actually, if you are playing single or double deck, that is a whole different hand.

[blackchipjim]

Well mr ns weighter I can't prove idiots have an effect on my cards because they don't. The equation that disproves this is well known and is published in many bj books. There are people who play bs that sit at third and get killed and there are complete idiots that don't play bs at all not even index adjusted plays. They have no effect on your cards but some plays that idiots do play are jaw dropping to say the least. If you can't laugh at this spectical of a person deciding wether to take a hit or not on a low value no bust hand you have no sense of humor. I did say I was at a low min table just for laughs at the end of the day. blackchipjim

[Renzey]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Actually, if you are playing single or double deck, 5/3 is a whole different hand.

In single deck play, 5/3 and 4/4 are synonymous and should both be doubled (unless it's DAS in which case you split the 4/4). It's the 6/2 that's a different hand and should just be hit.

In double deck, basic strategy for 5/3, 6/2 and 4/4 is the same as with the shoe.