Sim Data for Various Zen Betting Strategies

[jack,jackson]

Six Decks,H17,DAS,RSA
75%100Hph,Play-All(2x1-15)


+1<10x10
+2/25x25x25
+3/50x50x50
+4>100x100x100

RoR
10K=33.66%
20K=11.33%
Score=27.46



+1<10x10
+2/25x25x25
+4/50x50x50
+6>100x100x100

RoR
10K=26.14%
20K=6.83%
Score=26.26



+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+3/50x50x50
+4>75x75x75x75

RoR
10K=36.80%
20K=13.54%
Score=20.96



+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+4/50x50x50
+6>75x75x75x75

RoR
10K=24.01%
20K=5.77%
Score=18.76

[PrinceDragon]

JJ:
I don't see how these betting schemes fit into real life casinos.

P.D.

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by PrinceDragon

JJ:
I don't see how these betting schemes fit into real life casinos.

P.D.

You're right, its pretty stupid, now that I think about it. I just looked at a canned sim, using a 1-30 spread on 1 hand olny, and it has a higher win-rate, score and a lower RoR.

[jack,jackson]

+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+3/50x50
+4/100x100
+5/150x150

RoR
10K=32.55%
20K=10.59%
Score=33.45

I guess what I was trying to say was; how you bet your money is more important than what system you use.

[PrinceDragon]

i guess what i was trying to say was; how you bet your money is more important than what system you use

k.i.s.s.

p.d.

[rukus]

Originally Posted by jack,jackson

+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+3/50x50
+4/100x100
+5/150x150

RoR
10K=32.55%
20K=10.59%
Score=33.45

I guess what I was trying to say was; how you bet your money is more important than what system you use.

cut out that second $10 bet!! lets get a 1-30 spread

[UncrownedKing]

Originally Posted by rukus

cut out that second $10 bet!! lets get a 1-30 spread

Would that not lead to much unwanted attention, over even a back-off?

[johndoe]

Originally Posted by UncrownedKing

Would that not lead to much unwanted attention, over even a back-off?

It's a little risky, but you can get away with a 1-30 spread (inc 2 hands) with a good act in a big place. I did that all day my last session. (I still lost though. )

[rukus]

Originally Posted by UncrownedKing

Would that not lead to much unwanted attention, over even a back-off?

its very doable depending on your demeanor and act. also, some like to come off the top with a multi-unit bet and cut back if count goes south, you lose the hand, or the count stays neutral. could reduce what your effective spread looks like to the pit.

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by rukus

cut out that second $10 bet!! lets get a 1-30 spread

Interestingly thats not the case. No, it doesnt make much sense, but you can see for yourself, regarding this anamoly. Its Correct! Just define the recomended betting strategy>Set rules>attach complete Zen.

Heres 1 unit@+1 and lower(1-30)
+1<10
+2/20x20
+3/50x50
+4/100x100
+5/150x150



RoR
10K=30.57
20K=9.34


Heres the standard 1-15 spread right



RoR
10K=21.38
20K=4.57

Notice the difference in RoR between 2handsx1-15spread and 1-15 spread
10K=32.55%
20K=10.59%

Even though your win-rate, slightly more than doubles, your RoR does not.

Another, advantage is having the ability to control 2 hands at all times, plus this is also assuming a nickel table where double table min is enforced. And most importantly this is a play-all scenario.