What happened to me?

[jackpine]

I am new to the game. I sat down, picked up 200 in chips and begin to play. I was doing very well through about 10 shoes, up about twice what I started with. A guy sits next to me, my right, and begins to place bets on two seats. He was getting great cards and he was soon up 800 or so from what I could tell. Everyone left but me, so he slides over and starts betting on three places. My winning ways stopped and I began getting horrible cards while he was doubling, splitting and getting blackjacks on what seemed like every deal. He was not using good basic strategy from what I could see, standing on a hard 12 when the dealer showed a face card and such.

I know I should have gotten up and left, but why do you think this guy was so successful?

[UncrownedKing]

Were you counting? Were you sitting at a table using CSM? If you were sitting at a CSM, then the order of the cards could've been in tact. When the ploppy sat down, he was getting the cycle of good cards in your place. Just maybe.

[jackpine]

Originally Posted by UncrownedKing

Were you counting? Were you sitting at a table using CSM? If you were sitting at a CSM, then the order of the cards could've been in tact. When the ploppy sat down, he was getting the cycle of good cards in your place. Just maybe.

I am new to the sport, what is CSM? I was just curious as to what the plopper was doing and why it worked so well for him. I am not a confident card counter, but I try to keep track of what has come out of the deck. What happened was he took over the table and we all lost. I was stupid enough to remain there and lose more!

I just looked up csm, and no the dealer was shuffling at the end of the deck, penetration was 5 decks.

[UncrownedKing]

Sorry for the terminology. It was just luck/variance. It had nothing to do with you or the ploppy, it was just the way the cards were. Was he standing behind you before he sat down? He could have been backcounting and wonged-in at a high count. If not then it was just the way the cards fell. If you aren't counting then you should be expecting to lose anyways.

[jackpine]

Originally Posted by UncrownedKing

Sorry for the terminology. It was just luck/variance. It had nothing to do with you or the ploppy, it was just the way the cards were. Was he standing behind you before he sat down? He could have been backcounting and wonged-in at a high count. If not then it was just the way the cards fell. If you aren't counting then you should be expecting to lose anyways.

I am not good enough to count yet, especially with a bunch of players at a table. The guy did sit next to me for the remainder of the shoe before he bought in. He was obviously experienced, knew the dealers by first name, but played an odd game that made no sense to me.

[takinfromindians97]

Maybe he was a shuffle tracker and cut to a nice little pack of 10s & Aces. He possibly was steering a card when he was making funny plays. Alot of times youll hit a hand that you wouldnt hit or stand when you wouldnt normally. You do this to take cards to get to the one you want and put it right where you want it to be, if the card you are steering is 3 cards away and you have two 17s before the dealers hand and your trying to steer her the 10 then you would hit your 17s to eat up cards and send the 10 to the dealer. Then hopefully the 10 you sent to her will bust her hand.
Sorry all you guys for the crude steering explanation. lol

[jackpine]

Originally Posted by takinfromindians97

Maybe he was a shuffle tracker and cut to a nice little pack of 10s & Aces. He possibly was steering a card when he was making funny plays. Alot of times youll hit a hand that you wouldnt hit or stand when you wouldnt normally. You do this to take cards to get to the one you want and put it right where you want it to be, if the card you are steering is 3 cards away and you have two 17s before the dealers hand and your trying to steer her the 10 then you would hit your 17s to eat up cards and send the 10 to the dealer. Then hopefully the 10 you sent to her will bust her hand.
Sorry all you guys for the crude steering explanation. lol

Man, if he can do that, more power to him. One thing I noticed is that when the dealer had to shuffle, this guy dissapeared for 5 minutes, often missing the first hand out of the deck before he got back.

[johndoe]

Originally Posted by jackpine

Man, if he can do that, more power to him. One thing I noticed is that when the dealer had to shuffle, this guy dissapeared for 5 minutes, often missing the first hand out of the deck before he got back.

That pretty well rules out shuffle tracking and steering. It's possible the cards were marked (perhaps inadvertently) but he was probably just lucky. It happens.

[jackpine]

Originally Posted by johndoe

That pretty well rules out shuffle tracking and steering. It's possible the cards were marked (perhaps inadvertently) but he was probably just lucky. It happens.

The more I think about it, the more I think he was using me. I was playing BS at third, he had three bets going at a time. All the cards went his way and he was counting on me to bust the dealer.

[johndoe]

Originally Posted by jackpine

The more I think about it, the more I think he was using me. I was playing BS at third, he had three bets going at a time. All the cards went his way and he was counting on me to bust the dealer.

Nope, he wasn't using you at all. There was nothing you could have done to influence the dealer's busting. It was just dumb luck, stop worrying about it.