Change of Ownership; Trespass Acts still enforced?

[callipygian]

If you get trespassed at a casino - say, the Aladdin or ti or Barbary Coast - and then the casino changes ownership, are you still 86'd? Alternatively, let's say you're trespassed at all HET properties. If a casino gets acquired by HET - e.g. Barbary Coast - are you automatically trespassed there?

[shadroch]

I'd think that it has more to do with casino management than ownership. since most resorts are owned by publicly traded companies, I can't see how ownership would matter.
As an example- Jackie G just sold El Cortez to his long time right hand man, Mike Nolan. I wouldn't expect the new owners to offer an amnesty period.
But when Jackie sold the Plaza to Tamares and they canned most of the management,I think that might have created new possibilities.

[EasyRhino]

MGM sells TI to Phil Ruffin, do their trespasses carry over? While TI is still using Players Club? After?

Do New Frontier barrings carry over to TI?

Would a barring at the Rio in the old days skip over a Marnell generation and remain in effect at the M?

My brain hurts.

[Mr.M]

Originally Posted by callipygian

If you get trespassed at a casino - say, the Aladdin or ti or Barbary Coast - and then the casino changes ownership, are you still 86'd? Alternatively, let's say you're trespassed at all HET properties. If a casino gets acquired by HET - e.g. Barbary Coast - are you automatically trespassed there?

Thats a good question. I can only say that when I was at the casino I was at, we bought out another big company during my time. We never received a list of banned players, but the information from the point of buyout is shared, so starting from that point your face will be distributed all over. The old information is not shared unless they call the other house and ask if they have any information on a certain player.

As far as the other way around, I cant answer for sure, but I think the dept. still keeps all there information about banned players. Surveillance doesn't wipe out there database when new ownership takes over.

[ihate17]

The question is not can you be arrested for criminal trespass to me. The question is, can you be convicted of criminal trespass.

You can always be arrested. If security tells metro to arrest you, you are an odds on favorite, big favorite to be arrested.

Conviction? You were read the trespass act by an agent of a landlord who is no longer the landlord of that property. My thinking is that if the new landlord wishes to continue to barr you, he must inform you of this.

Seems logical to me but I think we need an attorney with experience in the field to chime in for a real answer.

ihate17

[Mimosine]

has anyone on here (or anyone you know of) ever been 86'd, returned to the scene at a later date and then arrested for trespassing?

[ihate17]

Originally Posted by Mimosine

has anyone on here (or anyone you know of) ever been 86'd, returned to the scene at a later date and then arrested for trespassing?

I can only speak for myself here. Happened twice that I returned at a later date from a place where I had been 86d and was ID'd. In one place the 86 turned into a backoff and in the other place I was just nicely told to leave and I did.

ihate17

[KenSmith]

Originally Posted by ihate17

In one place the 86 turned into a backoff and in the other place I was just nicely told to leave and I did.

Huh? You were 86'd, and upon your return they told you that you are now welcome on the property but you can't play blackjack? Is that what you mean by the "86 turned into a backoff"?

[callipygian]

Originally Posted by ihate17

The question is not can you be arrested for criminal trespass to me. The question is, can you be convicted of criminal trespass.

I guess my OP was unclear. This is what I meant - if you are legally trespassed from a casino (not just backed off, not just ID'd as a person of interest, etc.), what exactly are your legal obligations? To stay away from that property forever, even if the ownership changes? What if the building is destroyed and rebuilt (under same ownership or under new ownership)?

The question is mostly to entertain my curiosity; I accept that in reality, chances are you'd be arrested regardless of the strength of case against you, and you'd fight it in court with a nebulous outcome.

[ihate17]

Originally Posted by KenSmith

Huh? You were 86'd, and upon your return they told you that you are now welcome on the property but you can't play blackjack? Is that what you mean by the "86 turned into a backoff"?

Yes Ken, that is what happened.
The rest of the story is that a few months after the 86 I received a marketing offer of a free stay and free entry into a slot tournament. I made many copies of the invite and also booked a room at another hotel just in case.
I never played blackjack but I was spotted and approached while playing VP (without a players card). I gave the invite to the suit who had approached me and he left me at the machine with a security type. Upon his return I was told I was welcome but no table games.
Upon my return home I did receive a certified letter 86ing me from all HET properties and never have received another marketing offer.

ihate17