Another reason why pen matters

[stophon]

It's more than just seeing more extreme counts i think. Using the effect of card removal numbers given on Wizard of Odd's sight, I computed the follow changes in player advantage for each card played:

Low card: 0.54%
Mid card: 0.027%
High Card: -0.51%

So lets say at first your playing a break even 1 deck game. Half way into the game you've seen the exact number of cards your supposed to have seen, being 10 high cards, 10 low cards, and 6 mid cards. If you compute the numbers, your now playing a game with +0.50% adv.

I have no idea why this phenomena occurs. I just know the numbers back it. Perhaps because the dealer cannot as easily draw those 5 card 21's in a single deck game?

Note: I didn't round anything off of WOZ site, just plugged into excel and went. The only error I can think of is if drawing that second 5 has a different EOR than the first one.

[shadroch]

The pen is mightier than the sword!

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by stophon

It's more than just seeing more extreme counts i think. Using the effect of card removal numbers given on Wizard of Odd's sight, I computed the follow changes in player advantage for each card played:

Low card: 0.54%
Mid card: 0.027%
High Card: -0.51%

So lets say at first your playing a break even 1 deck game. Half way into the game you've seen the exact number of cards your supposed to have seen, being 10 high cards, 10 low cards, and 6 mid cards. If you compute the numbers, your now playing a game with +0.50% adv.

I have no idea why this phenomena occurs. I just know the numbers back it. Perhaps because the dealer cannot as easily draw those 5 card 21's in a single deck game?

Note: I didn't round anything off of WOZ site, just plugged into excel and went. The only error I can think of is if drawing that second 5 has a different EOR than the first one.

What you are describing is the Floating Advantage. We see the same thing in deeply-dealt shoe games, and when you take a shoe game with decent rules down to the last deck there is also a slight player advantage in a neutral count.

[stophon]

o_0

I read that article too...
I should have recognized that.

[stophon]

Why does the HE edge increase when more decks are put into play?

[KOLAN]

Originally Posted by stophon

Why does the HE edge increase when more decks are put into play?

becose basik strategy not working

[stophon]

shouldn't that just mean higher risk? the overall chance of drawing the same cards is the same there's just a higher chance of the deck getting more out of proportion right

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by stophon

Why does the HE edge increase when more decks are put into play?

Because of the lower probability of getting an ace when you have a 10 and a 10 when you have an ace.

Single deck: first card is an ten, you have a 4/51 (0.07843) chance of the second one being an ace.

Eight deck: first card is a ten, you have a 32/415 (0.07711) chance of the second one being an ace.

It doesn't look like much but it's significant. There are a few other effects mixed in, and even one where fewer decks takes away from the player a little bit (fewer splits) but the Floating Advantage is real.

[creeping panther]

example as to why we need a pay or "GC" section on this board.

This entire thread makes me cringe.

And you guys wonder why your games get worse, more decks, etc..etc..etc.

I can just see a casino troll printing this off and running to the gaming Manager.

This entire thread needs to be busted.

And just look at the title of the thread

CP

[rukus]

Originally Posted by creeping panther

example as to why we need a pay or "GC" section on this board.

This entire thread makes me cringe.

And you guys wonder why your games get worse, more decks, etc..etc..etc.

I can just see a casino troll printing this off and running to the gaming Manager.

This entire thread needs to be busted.

And just look at the title of the thread

CP

this was published years ago in BJA by don s.... we have also published with equally brazen thread titles (many times) why increased pen is infinitely better for a casino >> less time spent shuffling = more time for ploppies (>99% of playing world) to regurgitate money into casino coffers.