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forman · #1 April 15th, 2009, 03:07 AM

someone was playing at No house edge casino?
Betfair and Betvoyager offer such Blackjack games.
Do are its really No house edge?

Brock Windsor · #2 April 15th, 2009, 07:46 AM

The blackjack at Betfair is not 0 house edge. It is about 0.02% house edge I think. A computer program using CDS may be able to get you positive as I believe they are using multiple decks but not infinite decks.
BW

hoedown · #3 April 17th, 2009, 01:29 AM

Betvoyager is no house edge. Actually, a bunch of games are in addition to blackjack. I play there and it seems legit. It has some weird thing called randomness control, where you can check the fairness of results. My friend explained it to me. Checksums and algorithms and whatnot. Can't figure it out myself, but whatever. As long as the odds are good and I'm still winning...

Cardcounter · #4 April 20th, 2009, 06:52 PM

Betfair still makes money on its zero house edge blackjack game because people go with hunches and for the most part have no clue how to play blackjack. Yes perfect play might result in zero house edge but I gurantee you if you play enough hands you will make a mathimatical error. Especially on the computor where it is easy to hit the wrong button.

forman · #5 April 26th, 2009, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoedown

Betvoyager is no house edge. Actually, a bunch of games are in addition to blackjack. I play there and it seems legit. It has some weird thing called randomness control, where you can check the fairness of results. My friend explained it to me. Checksums and algorithms and whatnot. Can't figure it out myself, but whatever. As long as the odds are good and I'm still winning...

Really , it is perfect way to check that the arrangement of cards and numbers are completely random and have no connection to the size of bet.
It proof 100% that casino doesnt cheat you.
There is rule about Randomness controll
http://www.betvoyager.com/games/randomness/

AussieBlackjack · #6 May 6th, 2009, 02:09 AM

I don't think the betfair "exchange" blackjack has a house edge as your ultimately betting against someone else not the house

HarryKuntz · #7 May 6th, 2009, 10:00 AM

"The return to player on all zero games is 100.0 per cent. This is correct to at least 1 decimal place based on optimal player strategy"
Betfair's small print

I wonder if Zero HE BJ at betfair could be beaten by applying a 4 card strategy to take advantage of their 2:1 payout for a 5 card 21's. For example, I would imagine it would be favourable to hit a four card hard 17 against a dealer 10. I wonder if betfair has included this with what they define as "optimal player strategy"

Anyone care to do the calculations?

ThatsHot · #8 June 22nd, 2009, 06:56 PM

betfair vs betvoyager...who would you recommend for playing roulette? I really like the idea of BV, because when you look at others casinos, youll have a hard time finding one that is on par when it comes to fairness....