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Old April 19th, 2009, 08:04 PM
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Trip Report.

Hi everyone, firstly let me thank everyone here for the advice I got prior to my recent trip, some invaluable advice that made my trip a whole lot of fun. Thanks gang!

Firstly stayed at the MGM Grand in west wing room, the $20 at check in was worth it, thanks to the person who put me onto that idea.

Signed up for the players card and talked with a host – I did this just after wonging in to a green table, and the Pitboss was most accommodating. The host was ok, I think she was really busy so just got me signed up and came back with the card, never saw her again until I rang at checkout.

Overall I was in Vegas for 4 days, and had some awesome fun, overall ended up 23 units ahead.

Played a bit at the MGM, and here is what I found, I played the $25 tables and often these tables turned into 50 and 100 min tables from about 4pm ish onwards, one table I played at even became a 500 minimum on the Friday night. So it was great being grandfathered in at the reduced rate, it meant I was playing the best rules without having to fork out as much money.

My first day there was a total washout, I lost my daily limit within about 4 hours, and I was totally smarting big time, not a happy camper, so I basically went out at about 10pm and enjoyed the lights, and the scenery (the two legged female variety, ZOMG!)

Second day I played a bit in the morning, and won a few units back, then headed over to the Mandalay bay, which I had never been to before, its rules were similar to MGM’s except the minimums were a bit lower, but I did like the atmosphere there a lot more, not as smokey, and the dealers were much nicer.

As a non American I found the tipping difficult, and I only tipped a unit after a long session with a dealer in which I came out ahead, I never tipped when I lost (I hope that was ok?)

Had a lovely dinner at the Mandalay bay at the steak joint – stripsteak, was wicked, the Kobe beef was amazing – never had that b4 either. Ended up day 2 with about half the money back from the loss the day before, which was a bit heartening.

Day 3 I played in the morning poker tourney at the MGM, im not much of a poker player but it was fun, I ended up at 35ish out of 98 so I was happy with my effort even though I got no money out of it. – I really enjoyed the poker as the players were a lot of fun, as it was NCAA weekend/spring break, some really funny amazing people and poker allowed more chit chat etc.

After the poker tourney I headed back to Mandalay bay again, using the monorail/tram thing from Excalibur, and played until late evening, again got grandfathered in which made the good rules great at my level of play. After dinner there as I wasn’t grandfathered in anymore and the good tables were beyond my means I played some craps, and again im not much of a craps player, but this was amazing and awesome fun, 10 line bet, and a couple of number bets.

Anyways the craps was the highlight of my trip (who would have thought!), I had a roll of around 35 minutes in which case I won maybe 300 bucks, but another player up the other end of the table who was betting in black and purple won around 35k of me. He and his posse was ecstatic, and thanked me very much, he then reserved the table so only he and I could play (I didn’t even know that was possible) he was also cashing in notes of paper from the pitboss, which I assume was a line of credit of some sort?) Anyways it got late and I was feeling tired, and I thanked the high roller very much, as I turned out his name was Winky Wright and was some sort of boxer who was there for a fight in a few weeks, I had no idea at all who he was, but he was a hell of a nice guy.

Overall day 3 mainly thanks to the blackjack with a bit of craps was back to my starting funds.

Last day was the Saturday and the crowd had really picked up the tables mins were also much higher and I was playing a little out of my league. In the morning I took a quick drive to the premium outlet mall to get stuff for the wife and kids, after all I had to keep them in the good books.

I ended up leaving at around 3pm to get back to LA for the flight home and I was up a grand total of 23 units.

Prior to checking out I rang the host who got back to me about 15 mins later and she comped me 3 nights (couldn’t do the Saturday night) and comped all my meals, including the ones from the Mandalay bay, only thing she said she couldn’t comp was the internet (no idea why?)

I drove back to LA again stopping in Barstow for fuel/pee break/food

Overall I had an amazing time, the rules were great, the tables were great, the heads up play was great, the comps were good, and the fact I came out marginally ahead after all costs made it even better. But to be honest the experience was worth it even if I lost.

Ill defiantly be going back, and my tip to others for what its worth is play midweek it was way better than the weekend.

Oh and as promised in other threads here is a photo of me which I took wearing my reverse psychology counter-counter-counter camouflage. ( and before you ask, no I didn’t really wear this in the casino )

Ringy
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Old April 19th, 2009, 09:05 PM
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Thanks for the report, though you should be a little careful with this level of detail.

What bet ramp were you using?
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Old April 19th, 2009, 10:19 PM
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1-8 Ramp. (got above 6 about twice, maybe, if that?) Shoe games, I didn't play any SD or DD, those tables were full most of the time or they had lousy rules.

Absolutely no discernible signs of heat (certainly compared to what im used to), they were that busy with the ploppy factor from spring break/ncaa weekend. A hell of a lot of drunks and ID checking.

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Old April 20th, 2009, 08:32 AM
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1-8 is pretty conservative for a shoe game, but more power to you if that's high enough EV. I'll be doing 1-12 or 16 on my next trip. I'm trying to get a feel for their tolerance.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 09:55 AM
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Great trip report. Looks like you got some great comps. I think a lot of recreational green-chippers underestimate their value, and lose out by playing unnecessarily short sessions unrated at shops that are simply not going to back off a shoe player with a max bet in the $200s.

I will agree that that's a really conservative bet spread/ramp. Unless you were wonging quite aggressively (which it sounds like you weren't), you may have been better off at times playing a H17 table with a $10 minimum ... keeping your max bet the same. However, I understand that lower minimum tables are often more crowded ... something that affects your decision. MGM also gets bitchy about rating people who drop their bet below $25. But I think your chances of being backed off at shoe game spreading $10-$250 vs $25-250 are nearly identical. So you have to determine if the increased comps/better rules/less table congestions offset the smaller spread.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 03:53 PM
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I really didn't wong much after the first day, which i wonged a lot, and lost my days bankroll.

However in saying that there are some strategies which i employed and one which was handed to me on a plate which allowed me to do some "mini" wonging for lack of a better term.

Being at MGM they have roaming massage ladies, which for a green chip you get a back/neck massage at the table whilst playing, this allowed me to easily stop playing while the count was poor, still count and play when i wanted to. It is some great cover and worked well through a couple of shoes.

Vegas still trips me out a bit, the quality of games and the overall place.

Just on the comps, I hope this isnt sharing too much detail but the pits at MGM and Mandalay Bay were dynamite on the players bet amounts, whenever they would cast thier eyes on the table the would put the players bets into the computer, constantly and consitently, so im not sure if there is a strong management request to rate players accuratly or what the story is/was.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 03:57 PM
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Just on the comps, I hope this isnt sharing too much detail but the pits at MGM and Mandalay Bay were dynamite on the players bet amounts, whenever they would cast thier eyes on the table the would put the players bets into the computer, constantly and consitently, so im not sure if there is a strong management request to rate players accuratly or what the story is/was.
I hope that's just done for comps, and not scrutiny of bet patterns that would get the eye's attention.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 04:12 PM
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I'm fairly positive its done for comps, its basically whenever they walk over to a table and see what is going on, if they wanted to pick you up for bet ramping they wouldn't need/use the computer for it.

Its funny, im sure you guys all see the same thing, its a bit of a drudgery at times, counting/being a robot, so i played a little game with myself trying to pick when the critter would come over, watching his pattern of table hopping. Just one of those stupid little things you do to try and amuse yourself.
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nice report!

Sounds like a great trip!
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Old April 20th, 2009, 06:08 PM
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Being at MGM they have roaming massage ladies, which for a green chip you get a back/neck massage at the table whilst playing,
That's awesome, gotta love Vegas. Sounds like you had a great trip...JtMM
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