Wonging a dying art in AC

[Thunder]

It seems to me that more and more properties are making their $25 + games NMSE. This combined with the deteriorating BJ conditions in AC and large crowds, is making playing AP blackjack very difficult. I haven't seen any casinos offering any game with better than 75% penetration as of late. Pretty discouraging to say the least.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by Thunder

It seems to me that more and more properties are making their $25 + games NMSE. This combined with the deteriorating BJ conditions in AC and large crowds, is making playing AP blackjack very difficult. I haven't seen any casinos offering any game with better than 75% penetration as of late. Pretty discouraging to say the least.

What the hell is your max bet that you can't get it down in two hands on a $10 table?

[Thunder]

The problem with that is that there are soooo few tables where I could play two hands at a $10 table that isn't H17. Trying to find a table now that offers better than 75% penetration is also exceedingly hard.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by Thunder

The problem with that is that there are soooo few tables where I could play two hands at a $10 table that isn't H17. Trying to find a table now that offers better than 75% penetration is also exceedingly hard.

There are a couple of ways to handle this.

1. Don't avoid H17 games. The gap between H17 and S17 closes quite a bit at high counts, so if you find an open seat in a fast moving game with good pen at H17 don't hesitate to hammer it. There is really no bad game that can't be made into a good game with backcounting.

2. Don't sweat having to play Wong-out instead of Wong-in-Wong-out. It isn't that much less profitable.

[daddybo]

Originally Posted by Thunder

It seems to me that more and more properties are making their $25 + games NMSE. This combined with the deteriorating BJ conditions in AC and large crowds, is making playing AP blackjack very difficult.

The problem with that is that there are soooo few tables where I could play two hands at a $10 table that isn't H17. Trying to find a table now that offers better than 75% penetration is also exceedingly hard.

Bigger Spreads.... Play All... Pee/Answer phone when it really goes south (but leave the chips on the table). You DO know you can win at negative counts. (assuming full index play). Also the "velocity" at which the deck is going negative can make for some good negative TC rounds. I'm starting to believe excessive wonging does more harm than good.

The real TC is measured at the bankroll.

[nj45lady]

Caesars. I played last weekend on Saturday from 11 am to 8 pm with a few breaks. They have mid shoe entry 6 deck on $25 table. I haven't posted much lately, but I am still playing. I had a fantastic day, wish I had known about this sooner.... It was a great experience and great people who left me alone while I wonged in and out excessively all day and night. This was my best play experience counting to date (1 year total).

[Thunder]

thanks for the update. I wasn't aware that Caesars had any $25 6 deck (presumably S17) games. I thought it was all 8 decks except for the high roller room.

[kewljason]

Originally Posted by Thunder

thanks for the update. I wasn't aware that Caesars had any $25 6 deck (presumably S17) games. I thought it was all 8 decks except for the high roller room.

I haven't seen S17 at ceasers or any other HEt property for over a year. might be worth another look.

[21forme]

Caesars is all 8D, except hi roller room, unless it's changed in the last 2 weeks.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by daddybo

Bigger Spreads.... Play All... Pee/Answer phone when it really goes south (but leave the chips on the table). You DO know you can win at negative counts. (assuming full index play). Also the "velocity" at which the deck is going negative can make for some good negative TC rounds. I'm starting to believe excessive wonging does more harm than good.

The real TC is measured at the bankroll.

I wasn't aware that it was possible to have an edge playing in negative coutns even if I'm utilizing full indices. That's a new one. Can you elaborate on what you meant by the "velocity at which the deck is going negative can make for some good negative TC rounds." I'm guessing you're saying that it isn't that bad for you if the TC is only slowly dropping like maybe one -1 TC for every 8 rounds vs one -1 TC in a round.