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Percy

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I recently encountered a 'Lucky Joker' promotion at a casino. A joker is inserted into the shoe and if the joker is dealt to your box (at any point) you are instantly paid 1 to 1 on your initial bet. The joker is then replaced with a normal card, and you are allowed to continue playing your hand as normal. If the dealer receives the joker, nothing happens.

The game is 6 deck with roughly 75% penetration.

I can see that the effect of the rule will vary depending on how many boxes you play, how many other players there are, penetration etc.. But can anyone give a rough estimation of the effect of this rule on the house edge?

I can also see that the effect on house edge will increase for as long as the joker does not appear from the shoe (since the probability of it now appearing increases).

Any thoughts/calculations on this promotion would be much appreciated.
 
nightspirit

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Percy said:
I recently encountered a 'Lucky Joker' promotion at a casino. A joker is inserted into the shoe and if the joker is dealt to your box (at any point) you are instantly paid 1 to 1 on your initial bet. The joker is then replaced with a normal card, and you are allowed to continue playing your hand as normal. If the dealer receives the joker, nothing happens.

The game is 6 deck with roughly 75% penetration.

I can see that the effect of the rule will vary depending on how many boxes you play, how many other players there are, penetration etc.. But can anyone give a rough estimation of the effect of this rule on the house edge?

I can also see that the effect on house edge will increase for as long as the joker does not appear from the shoe (since the probability of it now appearing increases).

Any thoughts/calculations on this promotion would be much appreciated.
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Since your hand consumes about 2.7 cards in average your EV for the joker is 2.7 / 313 x100 = 0.86 % .
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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nightspirit said:
Since your hand consumes about 2.7 cards in average your EV for the joker is 2.7 / 313 x100 = 0.86 % .
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I get the same. And at 50% of the shoe dealt out with no joker yet, the EV doubles, and so on.

That's such a nice joker, I'd probably play this promotion by playing until the joker appears, then going to another table. You can probably use some social engineering, asking people or listening for cheers, to determine whether or not the joker has already been dealt out from an ongoing shoe.
 
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ccl

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i had a joker question too, at a casino here 1-2 days a week for a month every so often they put 2 jokers in the sp21 and bj shoes and whenever you get it, you name it a wild card and can treat it as such (get it with a 10, its an ace, etc... and get 3:2 or double if you can) if the dealer gets it, then its a wild card thats an auto bust for them, what kind of advantage could this give a player? Ive made tons of money off 2 hands of 10's being split out to almost 8 hands and several doubles (got aces on 2 of them and doubled my 11). Is this worth making the trip to play more often/

ccl
 
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Percy

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Thank you

Thanks for all the advice guys. It seems there is much less to it than I orginally thought. I thought initially that the no. of players, penetration (since the joker may be 'lost' behind the cut card), how many boxes you play and other factors would be important - but the fact is that it comes to a simple calculation.

I am not nearby the casino at the moment but will update if there are any significant developments.
 
Automatic Monkey

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ccl said:
i had a joker question too, at a casino here 1-2 days a week for a month every so often they put 2 jokers in the sp21 and bj shoes and whenever you get it, you name it a wild card and can treat it as such (get it with a 10, its an ace, etc... and get 3:2 or double if you can) if the dealer gets it, then its a wild card thats an auto bust for them, what kind of advantage could this give a player? Ive made tons of money off 2 hands of 10's being split out to almost 8 hands and several doubles (got aces on 2 of them and doubled my 11). Is this worth making the trip to play more often/

ccl
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Yes! :1st:

When the jokers are gone, switch tables.
 
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